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Dialogue: 0,0:00:34.16,0:00:37.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Hi, everybody! This is my small talk show
Dialogue: 0,0:00:37.10,0:00:40.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about people who inspire me
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.04,0:00:42.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and people who motivate me to do smth
Dialogue: 0,0:00:43.12,0:00:46.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, So, today's guest is
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.08,0:00:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Kiki Febriyanti
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.76,0:00:52.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, an independent filmmaker from Indonesia
Dialogue: 0,0:00:52.18,0:00:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Hi, Kiki! How are you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.12,0:00:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Hi, I'm okay, how are you?
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.80,0:00:57.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm also okay
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.94,0:00:59.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm fine, thank you so much!
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.90,0:01:02.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Thank you so much for joining me today
Dialogue: 0,0:01:02.68,0:01:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I suppose it's very important we have this conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.90,0:01:08.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because I really want audience
Dialogue: 0,0:01:08.16,0:01:10.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to know your way and your path
Dialogue: 0,0:01:11.14,0:01:14.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I also would like to ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:01:14.02,0:01:17.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, what it is to be an independent filmmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:01:17.14,0:01:20.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, today in this era, in this period
Dialogue: 0,0:01:20.54,0:01:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but let's start from the beginning
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.08,0:01:26.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe you can tell us a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:01:26.06,0:01:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, what urged your interest in filmmaking?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.96,0:01:30.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How did you start?
Dialogue: 0,0:01:31.38,0:01:33.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Well, it's long story
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.66,0:01:36.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, haha but let's make it short
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.72,0:01:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because I have to be back to my childhood
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.34,0:01:43.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, at the beginning
Dialogue: 0,0:01:43.70,0:01:46.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, at first actually I was  inspired by
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.44,0:01:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, best friend of my grandparents
Dialogue: 0,0:01:50.00,0:01:53.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and he was a photojournalist
Dialogue: 0,0:01:55.40,0:01:57.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so he often showed me his works
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.100,0:02:00.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then I was thinking okay
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.52,0:02:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I will become photojournalist too
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.50,0:02:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just like him
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.90,0:02:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, also my family loved watching movies
Dialogue: 0,0:02:10.22,0:02:13.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and my parents
Dialogue: 0,0:02:13.10,0:02:15.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, my grandma my parents
Dialogue: 0,0:02:15.92,0:02:17.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they often took me to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:18.30,0:02:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to watch movies in cinema
Dialogue: 0,0:02:21.30,0:02:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just nearby my house
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.64,0:02:27.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we just took a walk 5 minutes and it's already there
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.96,0:02:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:02:29.40,0:02:31.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I think
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.60,0:02:34.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the guy who worked there as cleaner
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.32,0:02:37.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, already got used to
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.14,0:02:40.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, got used to me
Dialogue: 0,0:02:40.56,0:02:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like in the cinema, so
Dialogue: 0,0:02:43.80,0:02:46.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, usually before the cinema opens
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.18,0:02:49.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, he invited me
Dialogue: 0,0:02:49.56,0:02:51.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to just play inside
Dialogue: 0,0:02:53.66,0:02:56.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just to take a look at the posters
Dialogue: 0,0:02:56.76,0:02:58.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of the movies
Dialogue: 0,0:02:58.76,0:03:00.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and just sit
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.14,0:03:03.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, inside of the cinema before
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.94,0:03:05.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, there are
Dialogue: 0,0:03:05.76,0:03:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, another audience
Dialogue: 0,0:03:08.80,0:03:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so that's how I was interested in film
Dialogue: 0,0:03:12.12,0:03:14.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, it was from your very childhood
Dialogue: 0,0:03:14.84,0:03:17.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when you were just a kid
Dialogue: 0,0:03:18.20,0:03:21.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then in 2008 there was
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.24,0:03:23.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when I was in university there was
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.66,0:03:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, documentary filmmaking workshop In-Docs
Dialogue: 0,0:03:29.68,0:03:32.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it came to my university in Jember
Dialogue: 0,0:03:32.10,0:03:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, East Java. East Java? yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.14,0:03:36.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:03:36.70,0:03:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I tried to join this event
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.74,0:03:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then I was selected
Dialogue: 0,0:03:41.98,0:03:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, my story was selected to
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.70,0:03:47.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to receive scholarship to be produced
Dialogue: 0,0:03:47.76,0:03:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:03:48.96,0:03:51.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's how I started filmmaking
Dialogue: 0,0:03:51.50,0:03:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, in 2008
Dialogue: 0,0:03:53.24,0:03:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I made my first documentary film
Dialogue: 0,0:03:56.40,0:03:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, it was like 12 years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.14,0:04:01.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, yes 12 years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:04:01.72,0:04:04.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, What was your first film? What was it about?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.12,0:04:10.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, It was about two persons
Dialogue: 0,0:04:12.68,0:04:13.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, who
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.28,0:04:18.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they were labelized
Dialogue: 0,0:04:18.22,0:04:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, as they have
Dialogue: 0,0:04:21.08,0:04:22.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, mental illness
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.16,0:04:24.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:24.82,0:04:27.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I made the story about them about their feelings
Dialogue: 0,0:04:27.86,0:04:28.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about their life
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.20,0:04:34.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How they struggle to
Dialogue: 0,0:04:34.80,0:04:37.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to be accepted in society
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.58,0:04:40.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in their family
Dialogue: 0,0:04:40.72,0:04:43.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and their environment
Dialogue: 0,0:04:43.56,0:04:45.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, it was about
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.72,0:04:48.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, mental illness and
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.42,0:04:50.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it was about the place
Dialogue: 0,0:04:50.72,0:04:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about the asylum, yes,  because
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.86,0:04:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I've watched your film I know a little bit the plot
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.20,0:04:58.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, at the beginning it opened
Dialogue: 0,0:04:59.14,0:05:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the founder told me it was just
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.02,0:05:06.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the place for learning Koran
Dialogue: 0,0:05:06.40,0:05:09.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like reading Koran, but then
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.90,0:05:12.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, many people came just
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.52,0:05:16.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to shelter these people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:17.60,0:05:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so it became this kind of place
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.56,0:05:24.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like shelter for people
Dialogue: 0,0:05:24.42,0:05:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with mental problems
Dialogue: 0,0:05:27.38,0:05:29.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay  so yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.76,0:05:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How did you find this story? How did you find
Dialogue: 0,0:05:32.34,0:05:34.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, these people? How did you find your subjects?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:36.88,0:05:37.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, actually
Dialogue: 0,0:05:39.02,0:05:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I already
Dialogue: 0,0:05:41.88,0:05:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, was kind of like friends
Dialogue: 0,0:05:44.18,0:05:46.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with the founder
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.90,0:05:49.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of Islamic boarding house
Dialogue: 0,0:05:49.08,0:05:52.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, The Al Ghafur boarding house
Dialogue: 0,0:05:52.16,0:05:54.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because my mom
Dialogue: 0,0:05:54.98,0:05:56.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, was working as teacher
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.18,0:05:59.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in the elementary school
Dialogue: 0,0:05:59.58,0:06:01.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, near the boarding house
Dialogue: 0,0:06:01.88,0:06:04.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's how I knew him
Dialogue: 0,0:06:04.66,0:06:07.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I often curious
Dialogue: 0,0:06:08.04,0:06:11.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because these people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:11.08,0:06:13.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, these people who stay there
Dialogue: 0,0:06:13.46,0:06:15.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, people with mental illness
Dialogue: 0,0:06:15.82,0:06:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, what people said
Dialogue: 0,0:06:18.94,0:06:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just freely walked
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.56,0:06:21.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, freely
Dialogue: 0,0:06:22.56,0:06:24.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, communicated with people
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.98,0:06:26.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in neighbourhood
Dialogue: 0,0:06:27.44,0:06:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so they are not like in asylum
Dialogue: 0,0:06:30.22,0:06:33.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like we think
Dialogue: 0,0:06:34.72,0:06:37.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, inside of the room they cannot go outside
Dialogue: 0,0:06:37.50,0:06:40.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, on the contrary, they are
Dialogue: 0,0:06:40.50,0:06:42.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they make interaction
Dialogue: 0,0:06:42.86,0:06:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, make interaction with locals there
Dialogue: 0,0:06:45.32,0:06:47.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's what interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:06:47.80,0:06:48.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for me yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:06:50.12,0:06:53.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but I mean that this topic is
Dialogue: 0,0:06:53.24,0:06:56.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, quite specific yes and it's
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.86,0:06:57.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, huuuh  yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:06:57.78,0:06:59.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like at the beginning
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.38,0:07:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, usually we think they are dangerous
Dialogue: 0,0:07:02.56,0:07:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they are
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.48,0:07:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we need to avoid them or smth like that
Dialogue: 0,0:07:06.88,0:07:08.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but what I
Dialogue: 0,0:07:09.16,0:07:12.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, always learned from my childhood like
Dialogue: 0,0:07:13.58,0:07:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they're just like us, they're just
Dialogue: 0,0:07:16.42,0:07:18.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, no difference with me
Dialogue: 0,0:07:19.06,0:07:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they can communicate with people,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.48,0:07:23.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they can socialize
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.96,0:07:27.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they can work and I'm thinking
Dialogue: 0,0:07:30.46,0:07:32.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How is their life
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.04,0:07:34.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, actually?
Dialogue: 0,0:07:35.80,0:07:38.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, facing the situation
Dialogue: 0,0:07:38.02,0:07:40.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, facing the society, facing their family
Dialogue: 0,0:07:41.32,0:07:44.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's interesting for me, it's just like
Dialogue: 0,0:07:44.34,0:07:47.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, how I see myself through
Dialogue: 0,0:07:47.26,0:07:50.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, through these people, through my subjects
Dialogue: 0,0:07:50.04,0:07:52.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's how and that's why
Dialogue: 0,0:07:52.42,0:07:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I made this film
Dialogue: 0,0:07:55.06,0:07:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How did your subjects react
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.98,0:08:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when they saw the camera?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.68,0:08:03.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah actually it's funny thing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:03.64,0:08:07.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah how the subject react to the camera
Dialogue: 0,0:08:07.00,0:08:09.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in my case
Dialogue: 0,0:08:10.02,0:08:12.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in that first film like
Dialogue: 0,0:08:12.14,0:08:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the subject was
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.54,0:08:17.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I tried to make them like to get used to it
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.60,0:08:18.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with the camera
Dialogue: 0,0:08:18.64,0:08:20.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so during the research I also brought
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.24,0:08:23.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I brought camera
Dialogue: 0,0:08:23.54,0:08:26.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so they kind of got used to it
Dialogue: 0,0:08:26.54,0:08:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and they were like okay with this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:29.48,0:08:30.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like on the contrary
Dialogue: 0,0:08:30.86,0:08:32.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, one of the crew
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.78,0:08:34.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that I brought to the location
Dialogue: 0,0:08:36.06,0:08:37.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, who
Dialogue: 0,0:08:38.14,0:08:41.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, supposedly was asked to record this
Dialogue: 0,0:08:42.10,0:08:43.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because I was directing
Dialogue: 0,0:08:43.76,0:08:46.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I tried to communicate with the subject
Dialogue: 0,0:08:46.92,0:08:50.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and he needed to record
Dialogue: 0,0:08:50.02,0:08:53.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, he cannot, he's like nervous
Dialogue: 0,0:08:53.30,0:08:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:08:55.46,0:08:57.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, what unexpected
Dialogue: 0,0:08:57.76,0:09:02.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, reaction was not from the subject
Dialogue: 0,0:09:02.20,0:09:04.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but from one of the crew
Dialogue: 0,0:09:04.26,0:09:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:09:05.74,0:09:07.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, well actually this question
Dialogue: 0,0:09:07.56,0:09:09.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, always makes me wonder
Dialogue: 0,0:09:09.98,0:09:11.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How do subjects
Dialogue: 0,0:09:11.60,0:09:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, any subjects react to the camera, yes?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:13.68,0:09:16.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, If we're talking about documentary filmmaking
Dialogue: 0,0:09:16.60,0:09:20.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's why I'm always interested in that
Dialogue: 0,0:09:21.44,0:09:24.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm really happy you made this film
Dialogue: 0,0:09:24.38,0:09:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and it is open if I'm not mistaken?
Dialogue: 0,0:09:26.66,0:09:29.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, the audience can watch
Dialogue: 0,0:09:29.90,0:09:32.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, it's in the website called
Dialogue: 0,0:09:33.42,0:09:36.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, cultureunplugged,com
Dialogue: 0,0:09:38.38,0:09:39.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so we can put it below
Dialogue: 0,0:09:39.74,0:09:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sure
Dialogue: 0,0:09:41.22,0:09:44.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and if I'm not mistaken you were selected
Dialogue: 0,0:09:44.26,0:09:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with this film at
Dialogue: 0,0:09:46.50,0:09:48.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, different film festivals
Dialogue: 0,0:09:49.20,0:09:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and you also attended
Dialogue: 0,0:09:51.22,0:09:53.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, STEPS International
Dialogue: 0,0:09:53.10,0:09:56.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Film Festival of Human Rights
Dialogue: 0,0:09:56.14,0:09:59.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, In Ukraine, in Kharkiv. in Ukraine, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:09:59.02,0:10:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in 2013, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:10:01.60,0:10:03.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, 2014, if I'm not mistaken
Dialogue: 0,0:10:03.70,0:10:05.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it was long time ago
Dialogue: 0,0:10:05.82,0:10:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, no no no, it was in 2013, Ki
Dialogue: 0,0:10:08.90,0:10:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ahhhh okay
Dialogue: 0,0:10:10.60,0:10:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, right? it was in 2013
Dialogue: 0,0:10:13.68,0:10:15.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes yes
Dialogue: 0,0:10:16.48,0:10:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, You received the award
Dialogue: 0,0:10:19.32,0:10:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, within that festival
Dialogue: 0,0:10:21.82,0:10:24.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you received an award for being
Dialogue: 0,0:10:24.50,0:10:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the best documentary filmmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:10:27.14,0:10:29.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and it was exactly with the film
Dialogue: 0,0:10:29.92,0:10:33.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Jangan bilang aku gila / Don't call me crazy
Dialogue: 0,0:10:33.74,0:10:34.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:10:35.18,0:10:37.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Maybe you can tell us a little bit about your experience
Dialogue: 0,0:10:38.18,0:10:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, My first festival was in India
Dialogue: 0,0:10:40.50,0:10:42.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it was selected in India
Dialogue: 0,0:10:42.98,0:10:45.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for me to screen
Dialogue: 0,0:10:46.12,0:10:49.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, my film for the audience
Dialogue: 0,0:10:49.02,0:10:52.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to wider audience it's already
Dialogue: 0,0:10:54.22,0:10:56.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, kind of like happiness yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:10:56.88,0:10:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, cause it is my goal
Dialogue: 0,0:10:59.36,0:11:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to give awareness to
Dialogue: 0,0:11:01.84,0:11:05.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, people about this situation
Dialogue: 0,0:11:05.84,0:11:09.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about my subject
Dialogue: 0,0:11:09.14,0:11:11.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about the condition yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:11:11.76,0:11:14.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then when they
Dialogue: 0,0:11:15.64,0:11:18.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean the festival gave me this award
Dialogue: 0,0:11:18.66,0:11:20.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's like a bonus
Dialogue: 0,0:11:20.94,0:11:23.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because for me it's already happiness
Dialogue: 0,0:11:23.62,0:11:26.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that people know the condition there
Dialogue: 0,0:11:27.24,0:11:28.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in my hometown
Dialogue: 0,0:11:29.26,0:11:32.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with these people
Dialogue: 0,0:11:32.66,0:11:35.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, yeah it's like a bonus
Dialogue: 0,0:11:35.14,0:11:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's like an extra happiness
Dialogue: 0,0:11:37.94,0:11:39.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, plus
Dialogue: 0,0:11:39.72,0:11:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, The Ambassador of Indonesia to Ukraine
Dialogue: 0,0:11:43.32,0:11:45.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, also attended Festival
Dialogue: 0,0:11:46.16,0:11:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and she and the stuff
Dialogue: 0,0:11:48.76,0:11:51.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, also were very supportive
Dialogue: 0,0:11:51.08,0:11:54.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so yeah, I was very happy with that
Dialogue: 0,0:11:54.46,0:11:57.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you were happy to share with the audience, right
Dialogue: 0,0:11:57.44,0:11:59.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to share the story
Dialogue: 0,0:11:59.82,0:12:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, I can understand you so well
Dialogue: 0,0:12:02.62,0:12:05.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Can I ask you about your second film?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:05.46,0:12:07.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which was also independent and it was
Dialogue: 0,0:12:07.64,0:12:09.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, "Yup, it's my body"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:09.56,0:12:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:12:11.42,0:12:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How did you choose the topic and the subject?
Dialogue: 0,0:12:14.58,0:12:17.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe you can tell us a little bit about that film
Dialogue: 0,0:12:17.94,0:12:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, So, actually this
Dialogue: 0,0:12:20.74,0:12:23.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the second film "Yup, it's my body"
Dialogue: 0,0:12:23.88,0:12:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I made that it's like
Dialogue: 0,0:12:26.76,0:12:28.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, a diary
Dialogue: 0,0:12:28.54,0:12:30.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because I was about
Dialogue: 0,0:12:30.58,0:12:32.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to graduate from
Dialogue: 0,0:12:32.98,0:12:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, my university soon
Dialogue: 0,0:12:34.82,0:12:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and all those years I stayed
Dialogue: 0,0:12:38.00,0:12:40.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with them with my subjects
Dialogue: 0,0:12:40.36,0:12:43.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which were also my roommates
Dialogue: 0,0:12:43.26,0:12:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, my flatmates in boarding house
Dialogue: 0,0:12:47.48,0:12:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I noticed like some habit
Dialogue: 0,0:12:50.44,0:12:51.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of us
Dialogue: 0,0:12:51.64,0:12:53.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of all of us...like
Dialogue: 0,0:12:53.92,0:12:57.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we always discussed about the body image
Dialogue: 0,0:12:57.46,0:13:00.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I try to diet with this way I try to diet this way
Dialogue: 0,0:13:00.34,0:13:02.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and It's like I asked them
Dialogue: 0,0:13:02.62,0:13:05.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Why do you do this? What for?
Dialogue: 0,0:13:05.54,0:13:08.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, In my boarding house that time
Dialogue: 0,0:13:08.52,0:13:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, most of them tried to lose weight
Dialogue: 0,0:13:11.58,0:13:15.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, especially one of the closest friend
Dialogue: 0,0:13:17.06,0:13:18.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, her name is Sara
Dialogue: 0,0:13:21.06,0:13:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, she more often to share with me
Dialogue: 0,0:13:24.36,0:13:26.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about her life her way something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:26.76,0:13:30.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, cause we're like family in that boarding house
Dialogue: 0,0:13:30.14,0:13:32.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I tried to document that
Dialogue: 0,0:13:35.08,0:13:39.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, as kind of like memorabilia
Dialogue: 0,0:13:39.50,0:13:41.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I recorded
Dialogue: 0,0:13:41.98,0:13:43.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I started recording with
Dialogue: 0,0:13:44.72,0:13:47.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Mini DV
Dialogue: 0,0:13:47.06,0:13:49.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I used that to record
Dialogue: 0,0:13:49.54,0:13:51.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, at the beginning I used to record
Dialogue: 0,0:13:51.90,0:13:54.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the activities and situation in my boarding house
Dialogue: 0,0:13:54.52,0:13:55.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with that handycam
Dialogue: 0,0:13:56.48,0:13:58.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and the cassette
Dialogue: 0,0:13:58.04,0:13:59.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, at first I was using
Dialogue: 0,0:13:59.96,0:14:01.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, actually recycled
Dialogue: 0,0:14:01.82,0:14:03.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, cassette
Dialogue: 0,0:14:03.98,0:14:05.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I didn't buy
Dialogue: 0,0:14:05.74,0:14:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I got the cassette the mini DV
Dialogue: 0,0:14:08.54,0:14:11.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, from the recycled wedding shooting
Dialogue: 0,0:14:11.72,0:14:14.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and one of my friend
Dialogue: 0,0:14:15.70,0:14:19.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, he was a journalist in television
Dialogue: 0,0:14:19.12,0:14:23.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so the cassette that he already digitize
Dialogue: 0,0:14:23.56,0:14:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, he gave me
Dialogue: 0,0:14:25.56,0:14:27.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I kind of like
Dialogue: 0,0:14:27.52,0:14:30.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, used that cassette again
Dialogue: 0,0:14:31.06,0:14:34.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then In-Docs somehow
Dialogue: 0,0:14:35.16,0:14:37.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I read the announcement that
Dialogue: 0,0:14:37.62,0:14:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, In-Docs opened again scholarship
Dialogue: 0,0:14:40.38,0:14:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like for masterclass
Dialogue: 0,0:14:42.60,0:14:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I applied with this story
Dialogue: 0,0:14:45.30,0:14:48.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that actually I'd already recorded before
Dialogue: 0,0:14:48.92,0:14:51.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, I just went deeper with this topic
Dialogue: 0,0:14:52.38,0:14:55.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about the body image
Dialogue: 0,0:14:55.20,0:14:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Nowadays, the topic of body positivity
Dialogue: 0,0:14:58.66,0:15:01.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, became an agenda yes
Dialogue: 0,0:15:01.32,0:15:04.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and your film "Yup, it's my body" is 2009?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:04.62,0:15:07.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, nine, nine yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:15:07.16,0:15:10.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so it was like 11 years ago
Dialogue: 0,0:15:10.76,0:15:13.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, raising the topic of
Dialogue: 0,0:15:13.08,0:15:15.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, body positivity, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:15:15.28,0:15:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, you were ahead of the time I suppose
Dialogue: 0,0:15:18.50,0:15:19.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:15:20.24,0:15:24.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, I suppose this kind of issue like
Dialogue: 0,0:15:25.24,0:15:28.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, it's so bad that for a long time
Dialogue: 0,0:15:28.26,0:15:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, still we need to
Dialogue: 0,0:15:30.08,0:15:32.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we have still this kind of issue
Dialogue: 0,0:15:34.30,0:15:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Kiki, it's very nice
Dialogue: 0,0:15:37.04,0:15:41.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you lead the conversation into cassette way
Dialogue: 0,0:15:41.16,0:15:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes and into
Dialogue: 0,0:15:42.90,0:15:45.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, as I understand
Dialogue: 0,0:15:45.82,0:15:49.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like 12 years ago you still could witness
Dialogue: 0,0:15:49.16,0:15:51.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the pre-digital era
Dialogue: 0,0:15:51.12,0:15:54.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you still could work exactly with films maybe
Dialogue: 0,0:15:54.38,0:15:56.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe you can tell us a little bit about that
Dialogue: 0,0:15:57.52,0:16:00.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Do you see the difference in
Dialogue: 0,0:16:00.62,0:16:03.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, analog filmmaking and digital filmmaking
Dialogue: 0,0:16:05.24,0:16:07.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Actually it's kind of like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:07.70,0:16:09.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, quite different like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:11.12,0:16:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because when it was analog
Dialogue: 0,0:16:14.54,0:16:16.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of course it cost a lot yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:16:16.70,0:16:18.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if we talk about production
Dialogue: 0,0:16:18.68,0:16:21.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because you need to buy cassette mini DV
Dialogue: 0,0:16:21.58,0:16:22.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and one cassette is
Dialogue: 0,0:16:24.76,0:16:27.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, approximately like 20 000 IDR
Dialogue: 0,0:16:27.68,0:16:31.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like 2 USD probably that time
Dialogue: 0,0:16:31.04,0:16:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then one cassette
Dialogue: 0,0:16:32.92,0:16:35.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, can record like 60 minutes
Dialogue: 0,0:16:35.60,0:16:38.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like 1 hour  approximately
Dialogue: 0,0:16:38.88,0:16:42.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and now you can just have
Dialogue: 0,0:16:42.20,0:16:44.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, SD Card ...or
Dialogue: 0,0:16:46.40,0:16:49.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just memory card, so all digital
Dialogue: 0,0:16:49.52,0:16:53.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, anytime you can just record whatever you want
Dialogue: 0,0:16:53.14,0:16:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, whatever you like
Dialogue: 0,0:16:54.76,0:16:56.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then you just transfer it to
Dialogue: 0,0:16:57.00,0:17:00.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Harddisk or your computer
Dialogue: 0,0:17:00.16,0:17:02.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and that's it, so
Dialogue: 0,0:17:02.34,0:17:05.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and you can reuse it all the time
Dialogue: 0,0:17:05.88,0:17:09.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, I mean, you just buy
Dialogue: 0,0:17:09.34,0:17:11.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, once or twice
Dialogue: 0,0:17:11.28,0:17:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or just bring a couple, but you can repeat
Dialogue: 0,0:17:14.58,0:17:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, using this card like all the time
Dialogue: 0,0:17:17.32,0:17:19.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, no need to worry that
Dialogue: 0,0:17:19.82,0:17:21.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in urgent situation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:21.68,0:17:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in such kind of situation
Dialogue: 0,0:17:23.64,0:17:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that you finish the cassette, right
Dialogue: 0,0:17:26.48,0:17:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah and also
Dialogue: 0,0:17:31.38,0:17:33.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the thing is
Dialogue: 0,0:17:33.88,0:17:36.01,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I feel at least myself
Dialogue: 0,0:17:36.02,0:17:37.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I feel like
Dialogue: 0,0:17:37.46,0:17:40.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, wth mini dV cassette
Dialogue: 0,0:17:40.50,0:17:42.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's like
Dialogue: 0,0:17:45.48,0:17:48.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we trained to be more discipline
Dialogue: 0,0:17:49.00,0:17:51.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I trained more discipline
Dialogue: 0,0:17:51.16,0:17:53.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with this because I need to
Dialogue: 0,0:17:53.54,0:17:56.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, more precisely think about the budget
Dialogue: 0,0:17:56.86,0:17:58.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, think about the time
Dialogue: 0,0:18:00.70,0:18:02.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:18:02.54,0:18:03.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I even...
Dialogue: 0,0:18:03.88,0:18:06.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, you have limitations, I mean like
Dialogue: 0,0:18:06.96,0:18:10.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with analog filmmaking you have some limitations
Dialogue: 0,0:18:10.30,0:18:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, I have some limitations, but
Dialogue: 0,0:18:12.46,0:18:14.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, there are also kind of
Dialogue: 0,0:18:14.92,0:18:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like pros and cons, of course,  yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:18:18.38,0:18:19.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that time I
Dialogue: 0,0:18:20.14,0:18:23.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I remember because I do everything by myself
Dialogue: 0,0:18:23.08,0:18:25.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I put mark in the
Dialogue: 0,0:18:25.62,0:18:29.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in the cassette because always like sticker there
Dialogue: 0,0:18:31.16,0:18:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, during the editing and post-production
Dialogue: 0,0:18:34.38,0:18:36.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I sat next to my
Dialogue: 0,0:18:37.86,0:18:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, editor
Dialogue: 0,0:18:39.24,0:18:42.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I can remember precisely
Dialogue: 0,0:18:42.04,0:18:44.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, this footage is
Dialogue: 0,0:18:44.70,0:18:47.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in the cassette number this or this
Dialogue: 0,0:18:47.44,0:18:50.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and the time code is approximately
Dialogue: 0,0:18:50.22,0:18:52.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, these kind of minutes, seconds
Dialogue: 0,0:18:52.88,0:18:56.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe a little bit different yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:18:56.62,0:18:58.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but I can remember like this
Dialogue: 0,0:19:00.06,0:19:02.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, it's easier because we have
Dialogue: 0,0:19:02.94,0:19:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, I still save my mini DV cassette, so
Dialogue: 0,0:19:08.22,0:19:11.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes I try to remember
Dialogue: 0,0:19:11.24,0:19:15.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ohh, that time when I shot film I needed to
Dialogue: 0,0:19:15.00,0:19:17.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, really remember these things
Dialogue: 0,0:19:19.84,0:19:23.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, that's about the production and then
Dialogue: 0,0:19:23.58,0:19:26.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then also later about distribution
Dialogue: 0,0:19:26.26,0:19:27.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it was
Dialogue: 0,0:19:27.86,0:19:30.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of course more expensive that time
Dialogue: 0,0:19:30.28,0:19:33.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, rather than now, it's much much cheaper
Dialogue: 0,0:19:33.52,0:19:36.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because we can do it online yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:19:36.84,0:19:38.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Kiki, I know also
Dialogue: 0,0:19:38.98,0:19:41.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that you are working as a film crew
Dialogue: 0,0:19:41.28,0:19:42.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in different projects
Dialogue: 0,0:19:42.46,0:19:44.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes you become director
Dialogue: 0,0:19:44.52,0:19:47.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes you become assistant of the director
Dialogue: 0,0:19:48.22,0:19:50.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes you become producer
Dialogue: 0,0:19:50.48,0:19:52.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and you're working not only with documentaries
Dialogue: 0,0:19:52.70,0:19:54.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but with different media
Dialogue: 0,0:19:54.80,0:19:56.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe you can share with us
Dialogue: 0,0:19:56.80,0:19:59.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, a little bit about the shooting process
Dialogue: 0,0:19:59.50,0:20:01.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the shooting process itself
Dialogue: 0,0:20:01.10,0:20:02.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, What is the shooting process for you?
Dialogue: 0,0:20:07.28,0:20:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, It's different, every production has
Dialogue: 0,0:20:11.24,0:20:14.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, has different kind of type
Dialogue: 0,0:20:14.00,0:20:16.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean let's make it
Dialogue: 0,0:20:18.70,0:20:21.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, something more general like between
Dialogue: 0,0:20:21.66,0:20:24.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, documentary and non-documentary, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:20:25.80,0:20:28.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in non-documentary usually
Dialogue: 0,0:20:28.32,0:20:30.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we have more crew
Dialogue: 0,0:20:32.58,0:20:34.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, non-documentary, fiction
Dialogue: 0,0:20:34.50,0:20:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, fiction or it can be
Dialogue: 0,0:20:36.50,0:20:38.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, advertisement or something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:39.10,0:20:40.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, anything that
Dialogue: 0,0:20:42.76,0:20:45.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which is not documentary
Dialogue: 0,0:20:45.36,0:20:47.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, usually we
Dialogue: 0,0:20:47.66,0:20:49.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, at least in my situation,
Dialogue: 0,0:20:49.86,0:20:50.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in my case
Dialogue: 0,0:20:51.58,0:20:52.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I had
Dialogue: 0,0:20:54.80,0:20:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, experience of work with more crew
Dialogue: 0,0:20:57.84,0:21:00.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for non-documentary
Dialogue: 0,0:21:00.40,0:21:02.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and for documentary I prefer
Dialogue: 0,0:21:02.86,0:21:04.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, at least so far
Dialogue: 0,0:21:04.56,0:21:05.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I prefer to work
Dialogue: 0,0:21:05.90,0:21:08.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, with smaller crew
Dialogue: 0,0:21:09.14,0:21:12.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and usually in documentary
Dialogue: 0,0:21:12.32,0:21:14.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I can choose my own crew
Dialogue: 0,0:21:14.58,0:21:16.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I prefer to choose my own crew
Dialogue: 0,0:21:17.26,0:21:19.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, whom I already know
Dialogue: 0,0:21:19.84,0:21:22.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like we already know each other
Dialogue: 0,0:21:22.34,0:21:25.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the pace, the character and everything
Dialogue: 0,0:21:25.02,0:21:27.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because how we communicate
Dialogue: 0,0:21:27.44,0:21:30.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we don't always agree with each other
Dialogue: 0,0:21:30.16,0:21:31.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but we already understand
Dialogue: 0,0:21:32.08,0:21:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, "the language"
Dialogue: 0,0:21:34.26,0:21:37.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, it's like in documentaries you prefer
Dialogue: 0,0:21:37.40,0:21:39.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to have a chamber crew
Dialogue: 0,0:21:39.78,0:21:40.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just like a couple
Dialogue: 0,0:21:40.98,0:21:42.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, like more intimacy
Dialogue: 0,0:21:42.52,0:21:45.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes yes yes, I understand
Dialogue: 0,0:21:45.64,0:21:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, Kiki and what is
Dialogue: 0,0:21:48.32,0:21:50.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because you know in Facebook and everywhere
Dialogue: 0,0:21:50.86,0:21:53.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm following these groups
Dialogue: 0,0:21:53.22,0:21:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about filmmaking
Dialogue: 0,0:21:55.92,0:21:58.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, funny groups, I mean yes
Dialogue: 0,0:21:58.100,0:22:02.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and a lot of people are saying that it is
Dialogue: 0,0:22:02.16,0:22:04.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, very very hard work
Dialogue: 0,0:22:04.84,0:22:07.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you know that I also
Dialogue: 0,0:22:07.84,0:22:10.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, took part in some shootings
Dialogue: 0,0:22:10.76,0:22:11.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:11.84,0:22:13.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I remember
Dialogue: 0,0:22:13.56,0:22:16.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, It was a very big surprise for me
Dialogue: 0,0:22:16.32,0:22:18.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when I came to the shooting location
Dialogue: 0,0:22:18.84,0:22:19.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and
Dialogue: 0,0:22:21.26,0:22:25.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, everything ended like in 24 hours
Dialogue: 0,0:22:25.06,0:22:26.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so I had
Dialogue: 0,0:22:26.70,0:22:29.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, 24 hours shooting day
Dialogue: 0,0:22:30.00,0:22:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and it was a disaster for me
Dialogue: 0,0:22:32.92,0:22:36.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, somehow when you're in the shooting process
Dialogue: 0,0:22:36.02,0:22:38.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you don't see the time flies
Dialogue: 0,0:22:38.40,0:22:40.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you don't see that, you don't feel that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:40.58,0:22:43.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, somehow it was really amazing for me
Dialogue: 0,0:22:43.50,0:22:46.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and somehow I was really into that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:46.48,0:22:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I suppose if you're working in that field
Dialogue: 0,0:22:49.84,0:22:52.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for already more than 10 years
Dialogue: 0,0:22:52.62,0:22:55.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, probably it also gets your attention
Dialogue: 0,0:22:55.64,0:22:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and gets your interest in that
Dialogue: 0,0:22:59.26,0:23:03.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe you can give advise to young filmmakers
Dialogue: 0,0:23:03.02,0:23:05.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, What is it to be in the shooting process?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:05.82,0:23:08.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Do you like that? What is that?
Dialogue: 0,0:23:09.84,0:23:12.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, if we talk about
Dialogue: 0,0:23:12.04,0:23:14.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, non-documentary, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:23:15.02,0:23:18.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, there is actually always time
Dialogue: 0,0:23:18.08,0:23:21.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we have call sheet, we have schedule
Dialogue: 0,0:23:22.30,0:23:24.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like crew call is at this time
Dialogue: 0,0:23:24.86,0:23:26.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for instance, 6 a.m. or 5 a.m
Dialogue: 0,0:23:26.96,0:23:30.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then we gather and prepare and evrth
Dialogue: 0,0:23:30.70,0:23:32.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then
Dialogue: 0,0:23:32.54,0:23:35.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we start shooting at 7 a.m. or smth like that
Dialogue: 0,0:23:35.96,0:23:38.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and we supposedly
Dialogue: 0,0:23:38.08,0:23:41.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, finish shooting at this time, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:23:41.40,0:23:44.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in non-documentary, it's
Dialogue: 0,0:23:44.32,0:23:46.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, kind of like actually
Dialogue: 0,0:23:46.80,0:23:49.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, more precise about the time
Dialogue: 0,0:23:49.38,0:23:51.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but in documentary we don't have
Dialogue: 0,0:23:51.86,0:23:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we don't have this specific time
Dialogue: 0,0:23:55.02,0:23:58.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we shoot based on our research actually
Dialogue: 0,0:23:58.70,0:24:00.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but of course
Dialogue: 0,0:24:03.68,0:24:06.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we got used to it, we know
Dialogue: 0,0:24:06.32,0:24:08.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ohh okay, my character usually
Dialogue: 0,0:24:09.30,0:24:13.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, wakes up at this time, usually this time
Dialogue: 0,0:24:13.04,0:24:15.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, she goes to school
Dialogue: 0,0:24:15.50,0:24:17.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or at this time usually
Dialogue: 0,0:24:17.42,0:24:20.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, she goes to pray, e t.c
Dialogue: 0,0:24:20.80,0:24:23.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but during the shooting it can be  different
Dialogue: 0,0:24:23.52,0:24:24.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, changing
Dialogue: 0,0:24:24.84,0:24:27.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes changing totally
Dialogue: 0,0:24:27.08,0:24:30.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, that's how we adjust
Dialogue: 0,0:24:30.60,0:24:34.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if there is unexpected moment
Dialogue: 0,0:24:34.40,0:24:37.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in the middle of the night
Dialogue: 0,0:24:37.04,0:24:39.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or very early in the morning
Dialogue: 0,0:24:40.40,0:24:43.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in documentary I feel that my brain
Dialogue: 0,0:24:43.58,0:24:45.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, always stand-by even
Dialogue: 0,0:24:45.92,0:24:48.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, while I was sleeping I also feel
Dialogue: 0,0:24:48.54,0:24:51.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like my brain is also working, you know
Dialogue: 0,0:24:51.58,0:24:52.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes yes
Dialogue: 0,0:24:52.46,0:24:56.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like I need to be aware all the time during the
Dialogue: 0,0:24:56.04,0:24:57.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, documentary shooting
Dialogue: 0,0:24:57.90,0:24:59.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because you are following the subject
Dialogue: 0,0:24:59.24,0:25:00.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or the subjects
Dialogue: 0,0:25:00.80,0:25:03.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because you are following your story
Dialogue: 0,0:25:05.78,0:25:08.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, many people think when I meet
Dialogue: 0,0:25:08.66,0:25:11.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, people, friends or family
Dialogue: 0,0:25:11.52,0:25:13.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or just strangers
Dialogue: 0,0:25:15.24,0:25:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, who knew that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:16.98,0:25:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ohh you're working in film ohh it must be cool
Dialogue: 0,0:25:22.14,0:25:24.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you travel a lot
Dialogue: 0,0:25:25.38,0:25:27.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it will be like red carpet
Dialogue: 0,0:25:27.60,0:25:29.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you met celebrities
Dialogue: 0,0:25:30.72,0:25:32.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, must be you have nice
Dialogue: 0,0:25:32.92,0:25:34.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, kind of photos
Dialogue: 0,0:25:34.38,0:25:36.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for your
Dialogue: 0,0:25:36.80,0:25:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, social media like behind the camera
Dialogue: 0,0:25:39.68,0:25:42.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, holding clapper board
Dialogue: 0,0:25:42.14,0:25:45.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or something like that yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:25:46.06,0:25:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it is cute things about this
Dialogue: 0,0:25:50.52,0:25:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but it's not only about that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:53.46,0:25:55.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, actually many things happen that
Dialogue: 0,0:25:56.78,0:25:59.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because you need to love  and
Dialogue: 0,0:25:59.68,0:26:00.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, have passion
Dialogue: 0,0:26:00.90,0:26:02.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in it
Dialogue: 0,0:26:03.68,0:26:05.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because it is not
Dialogue: 0,0:26:05.48,0:26:06.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I would say
Dialogue: 0,0:26:06.64,0:26:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's not easy work, you know
Dialogue: 0,0:26:09.80,0:26:12.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and for me it's not just work
Dialogue: 0,0:26:12.22,0:26:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's just not profession
Dialogue: 0,0:26:13.88,0:26:16.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but it's part of life
Dialogue: 0,0:26:16.06,0:26:18.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, if you don't love it
Dialogue: 0,0:26:18.42,0:26:20.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's even harder
Dialogue: 0,0:26:20.86,0:26:22.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, probably yes
Dialogue: 0,0:26:24.24,0:26:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, honestly, I don't really know that
Dialogue: 0,0:26:26.80,0:26:28.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we have like precise
Dialogue: 0,0:26:30.04,0:26:31.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, time schedule
Dialogue: 0,0:26:31.28,0:26:32.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, time working
Dialogue: 0,0:26:32.78,0:26:35.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like, for instance, if people who work in office
Dialogue: 0,0:26:35.74,0:26:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they have specific time like 9 to 5
Dialogue: 0,0:26:37.48,0:26:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but in film we don't have this
Dialogue: 0,0:26:40.86,0:26:43.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because sometimes we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:26:45.16,0:26:47.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, catch some moment
Dialogue: 0,0:26:47.10,0:26:49.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like we need to shoot
Dialogue: 0,0:26:49.70,0:26:53.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sun goes down or sun goes up
Dialogue: 0,0:26:53.04,0:26:55.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like sunrise, sunset
Dialogue: 0,0:26:55.34,0:26:57.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for instance, yeah , just an example
Dialogue: 0,0:26:57.84,0:27:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, something that explicit
Dialogue: 0,0:27:00.94,0:27:03.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that is easy to explain
Dialogue: 0,0:27:04.24,0:27:06.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, many things like that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:06.98,0:27:09.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I agree with you absolutely that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:09.68,0:27:13.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if a person has no passion about that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:13.24,0:27:15.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's very hard
Dialogue: 0,0:27:15.70,0:27:18.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because it is hard for people who have passion in that
Dialogue: 0,0:27:18.98,0:27:21.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, who have passion in filmmaking
Dialogue: 0,0:27:21.70,0:27:25.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and maybe you can tell us a little bit about
Dialogue: 0,0:27:25.00,0:27:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, your independent way of post-production
Dialogue: 0,0:27:31.18,0:27:34.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you go further to post-production
Dialogue: 0,0:27:34.02,0:27:36.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, post-production is editing
Dialogue: 0,0:27:36.50,0:27:38.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then an independent filmmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:27:38.66,0:27:40.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, needs to go to distribution
Dialogue: 0,0:27:40.28,0:27:42.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, what is your way?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:42.42,0:27:44.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, What is your treatment in these two positions?
Dialogue: 0,0:27:48.18,0:27:51.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah it is different in every filmmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:27:51.26,0:27:54.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they have different goals
Dialogue: 0,0:27:56.60,0:27:59.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, some of them not really prefer
Dialogue: 0,0:27:59.00,0:28:02.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I know some people who don't want to distribute
Dialogue: 0,0:28:02.44,0:28:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, they made like
Dialogue: 0,0:28:05.88,0:28:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, They prefer not to screen in the festival, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:28:09.38,0:28:11.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but only for the community
Dialogue: 0,0:28:13.12,0:28:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, some of them only
Dialogue: 0,0:28:14.70,0:28:17.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, want to screen in the festival, but
Dialogue: 0,0:28:18.44,0:28:21.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, not online, for instance, if we talk about nowadays
Dialogue: 0,0:28:24.48,0:28:25.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but for me
Dialogue: 0,0:28:27.64,0:28:29.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if we talk in general
Dialogue: 0,0:28:29.44,0:28:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I want
Dialogue: 0,0:28:31.30,0:28:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when I make films
Dialogue: 0,0:28:33.46,0:28:36.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I want to show it to people
Dialogue: 0,0:28:36.06,0:28:38.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to audience
Dialogue: 0,0:28:40.92,0:28:44.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for independent filmmakers
Dialogue: 0,0:28:44.02,0:28:46.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, usually we don't have
Dialogue: 0,0:28:47.76,0:28:49.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, producer or
Dialogue: 0,0:28:49.84,0:28:52.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we don't have special publicist
Dialogue: 0,0:28:53.04,0:28:55.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or distributor
Dialogue: 0,0:28:55.74,0:28:58.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we usually distribute our films
Dialogue: 0,0:28:59.30,0:29:01.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, by ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:29:03.48,0:29:06.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, that's what I do
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.00,0:29:07.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:29:07.98,0:29:10.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How do you usually distribute?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:10.34,0:29:12.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, What kind of way do you use?
Dialogue: 0,0:29:12.70,0:29:13.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean like
Dialogue: 0,0:29:13.88,0:29:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I know there are a lot of platforms nowadays
Dialogue: 0,0:29:15.84,0:29:18.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like Filmfreeway or smth else
Dialogue: 0,0:29:18.70,0:29:20.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you can apply online
Dialogue: 0,0:29:20.74,0:29:23.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe you can tell us a little bit about that
Dialogue: 0,0:29:24.16,0:29:25.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, actually it's
Dialogue: 0,0:29:25.44,0:29:29.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, very big difference if we talk about the past and now
Dialogue: 0,0:29:29.66,0:29:31.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because in the past
Dialogue: 0,0:29:37.22,0:29:40.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we need more cost
Dialogue: 0,0:29:42.54,0:29:45.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to submit our film because we need to make copy
Dialogue: 0,0:29:46.92,0:29:49.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of our film in mini DV or
Dialogue: 0,0:29:49.92,0:29:52.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, VCD yeah later we had VCD
Dialogue: 0,0:29:52.98,0:29:55.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then DVD
Dialogue: 0,0:29:57.74,0:29:59.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we have to
Dialogue: 0,0:30:00.56,0:30:03.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, send a copy of our film to the festival
Dialogue: 0,0:30:04.68,0:30:07.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, through courier through post-office
Dialogue: 0,0:30:07.50,0:30:08.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or something like that
Dialogue: 0,0:30:10.48,0:30:12.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and if the festival
Dialogue: 0,0:30:12.66,0:30:14.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, is abroad, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:30:14.66,0:30:17.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, of course,  it cost extra
Dialogue: 0,0:30:18.78,0:30:21.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to use the post services, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:30:21.82,0:30:23.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes yes
Dialogue: 0,0:30:24.62,0:30:27.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and if they request our film
Dialogue: 0,0:30:27.90,0:30:31.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, usually they will cover the cost
Dialogue: 0,0:30:31.74,0:30:33.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but if we submit
Dialogue: 0,0:30:34.16,0:30:35.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, our film
Dialogue: 0,0:30:35.46,0:30:39.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it means the cost is on us
Dialogue: 0,0:30:43.18,0:30:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Nowadays, it's already online
Dialogue: 0,0:30:45.74,0:30:49.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that you, basically you don't need to pay anything
Dialogue: 0,0:30:50.24,0:30:52.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, there are a lot of film festivals
Dialogue: 0,0:30:52.58,0:30:54.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that you don't need to pay
Dialogue: 0,0:30:54.60,0:30:56.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for free, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:30:56.58,0:30:58.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the submission is for free
Dialogue: 0,0:30:58.24,0:31:00.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, submission is for free
Dialogue: 0,0:31:01.52,0:31:04.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you just need to upload your film
Dialogue: 0,0:31:05.16,0:31:08.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, through internet platform
Dialogue: 0,0:31:08.22,0:31:10.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's like maybe Dropbox,
Dialogue: 0,0:31:10.32,0:31:13.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Wetransfer, Filmfreeway, Mega
Dialogue: 0,0:31:14.78,0:31:16.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, many things
Dialogue: 0,0:31:16.58,0:31:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Filmfreeway, Filmdepot
Dialogue: 0,0:31:19.44,0:31:21.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, many many platforms nowadays
Dialogue: 0,0:31:21.86,0:31:24.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and also because of this digital way
Dialogue: 0,0:31:24.88,0:31:26.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, also more and more
Dialogue: 0,0:31:27.28,0:31:30.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, maybe we cannot count
Dialogue: 0,0:31:30.08,0:31:33.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like thousands millions film festivals
Dialogue: 0,0:31:33.56,0:31:35.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, as well that we don't know
Dialogue: 0,0:31:36.00,0:31:38.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and it gives more chance
Dialogue: 0,0:31:38.68,0:31:41.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for us to try as well
Dialogue: 0,0:31:41.76,0:31:45.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to distribute our film which is cheaper
Dialogue: 0,0:31:45.60,0:31:47.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and  perhaps easier as well
Dialogue: 0,0:31:48.46,0:31:51.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How do you think, Kiki, is it easy and
Dialogue: 0,0:31:54.50,0:31:57.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, is it easy to be an independent filmmaker?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:00.36,0:32:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, How do independent filmmakers
Dialogue: 0,0:32:02.92,0:32:05.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, usually search for funds?
Dialogue: 0,0:32:06.14,0:32:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because I know that funding films
Dialogue: 0,0:32:08.48,0:32:11.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, is not an easy way, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:32:11.40,0:32:12.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:32:13.44,0:32:15.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ahh yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:32:16.74,0:32:19.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to make the film that is
Dialogue: 0,0:32:19.60,0:32:21.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, really your idea
Dialogue: 0,0:32:21.80,0:32:23.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, really you feel
Dialogue: 0,0:32:24.74,0:32:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you really want to make
Dialogue: 0,0:32:26.80,0:32:28.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, this certain project
Dialogue: 0,0:32:29.44,0:32:31.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's not easy because
Dialogue: 0,0:32:31.96,0:32:34.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes we apply or submit for some
Dialogue: 0,0:32:34.92,0:32:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, grant, or people, or organisation
Dialogue: 0,0:32:41.10,0:32:43.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's not easy because
Dialogue: 0,0:32:43.66,0:32:46.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, there are also tons of filmmakers
Dialogue: 0,0:32:46.20,0:32:48.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, who also apply to the same programme
Dialogue: 0,0:32:48.32,0:32:49.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Exactly
Dialogue: 0,0:32:51.86,0:32:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Sometimes we are not selected
Dialogue: 0,0:32:54.98,0:32:56.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I believe that sometimes
Dialogue: 0,0:32:56.90,0:32:58.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if we are not selected
Dialogue: 0,0:32:58.34,0:33:00.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it doesn't mean that your film is bad
Dialogue: 0,0:33:00.50,0:33:02.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or your project is not good
Dialogue: 0,0:33:02.52,0:33:05.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes it's about the taste as well
Dialogue: 0,0:33:05.30,0:33:07.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Some people also do some business
Dialogue: 0,0:33:07.96,0:33:10.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or do another job like
Dialogue: 0,0:33:10.28,0:33:13.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and they save some money to
Dialogue: 0,0:33:13.34,0:33:16.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to make film
Dialogue: 0,0:33:16.38,0:33:18.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that they like
Dialogue: 0,0:33:18.50,0:33:22.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I know there are some filmmakers who are farmers
Dialogue: 0,0:33:22.08,0:33:23.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I know
Dialogue: 0,0:33:23.40,0:33:27.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, another filmmakers who are civil servants actually
Dialogue: 0,0:33:27.38,0:33:29.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or they have another job
Dialogue: 0,0:33:29.34,0:33:32.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or me, like I become
Dialogue: 0,0:33:32.56,0:33:36.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm a freelancer as crew
Dialogue: 0,0:33:36.42,0:33:39.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in any kind of department
Dialogue: 0,0:33:39.28,0:33:42.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in film production in Jakarta
Dialogue: 0,0:33:43.60,0:33:46.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean if you're really passionate
Dialogue: 0,0:33:46.64,0:33:48.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about film
Dialogue: 0,0:33:48.34,0:33:50.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, often sometimes people think
Dialogue: 0,0:33:50.16,0:33:52.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, ohh you work in film you must
Dialogue: 0,0:33:53.54,0:33:56.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, have a lot of money
Dialogue: 0,0:33:59.18,0:34:01.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it can be yes or no
Dialogue: 0,0:34:02.92,0:34:06.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, sometimes the goals of working
Dialogue: 0,0:34:08.32,0:34:12.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when we have money we try to
Dialogue: 0,0:34:12.38,0:34:14.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to pay our rent first, to buy food
Dialogue: 0,0:34:14.70,0:34:16.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like the basic things
Dialogue: 0,0:34:16.72,0:34:18.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we try to provide ourselves
Dialogue: 0,0:34:18.78,0:34:21.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Pyramid of Maslow, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:34:21.08,0:34:22.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:34:22.70,0:34:26.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but what, usually, at least me
Dialogue: 0,0:34:26.14,0:34:27.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when I am at work
Dialogue: 0,0:34:31.34,0:34:34.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or when I receive
Dialogue: 0,0:34:35.26,0:34:37.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, call for project or smth
Dialogue: 0,0:34:37.48,0:34:39.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, what came to my mind usually
Dialogue: 0,0:34:39.68,0:34:42.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, I will save some money
Dialogue: 0,0:34:42.80,0:34:44.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it means
Dialogue: 0,0:34:44.66,0:34:47.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if they mention like this is the fee
Dialogue: 0,0:34:47.28,0:34:48.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, this is the budget
Dialogue: 0,0:34:48.86,0:34:50.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so usually I think
Dialogue: 0,0:34:50.44,0:34:52.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, so this is just enough
Dialogue: 0,0:34:52.30,0:34:54.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for my food, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:34:54.56,0:34:57.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or this is just enough for my rent
Dialogue: 0,0:34:57.98,0:35:00.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but what comes to my mind always
Dialogue: 0,0:35:00.94,0:35:03.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, I need to save money for my
Dialogue: 0,0:35:03.92,0:35:06.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, my next project
Dialogue: 0,0:35:06.88,0:35:10.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that's the first thing that  comes to my mind
Dialogue: 0,0:35:11.28,0:35:14.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to have even just a little bit
Dialogue: 0,0:35:14.54,0:35:17.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, even just like 50 000 IDR to save for
Dialogue: 0,0:35:17.06,0:35:20.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, your film, your next project
Dialogue: 0,0:35:20.82,0:35:23.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, Kiki, so I understood that
Dialogue: 0,0:35:23.70,0:35:25.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like a lot of independent artists
Dialogue: 0,0:35:25.86,0:35:28.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and independent filmmakers
Dialogue: 0,0:35:28.00,0:35:29.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you are just trying to
Dialogue: 0,0:35:29.14,0:35:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, make money from your freelance job
Dialogue: 0,0:35:31.64,0:35:34.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but somehow this freelance job turned out
Dialogue: 0,0:35:34.76,0:35:37.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, to be filmmaking in your case
Dialogue: 0,0:35:38.12,0:35:40.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, you are filmmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:35:41.50,0:35:43.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, filmmaking crew
Dialogue: 0,0:35:43.32,0:35:45.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, working for your own independent films
Dialogue: 0,0:35:45.74,0:35:46.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah so it's like...
Dialogue: 0,0:35:46.82,0:35:48.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but that's life, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:35:48.18,0:35:49.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I would like to ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:35:49.94,0:35:52.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about your latest projects
Dialogue: 0,0:35:52.92,0:35:54.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, one of them is
Dialogue: 0,0:35:54.90,0:35:57.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, documentary film "Calalai"
Dialogue: 0,0:35:57.64,0:35:59.43,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, documentary film "Calalai"
Dialogue: 0,0:35:59.43,0:36:01.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you can tell us a little bit about that
Dialogue: 0,0:36:02.06,0:36:05.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, my latest project
Dialogue: 0,0:36:05.12,0:36:07.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, one is documentary
Dialogue: 0,0:36:09.54,0:36:12.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the title is "Calalai In-betweenness"
Dialogue: 0,0:36:12.70,0:36:15.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's about the 5th gender
Dialogue: 0,0:36:17.12,0:36:19.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in Indonesia in Bugis culture
Dialogue: 0,0:36:19.88,0:36:22.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in South Sulawesi island
Dialogue: 0,0:36:23.28,0:36:26.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they believe in five genders
Dialogue: 0,0:36:26.80,0:36:31.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which is written in La Galigo manuscript
Dialogue: 0,0:36:31.32,0:36:34.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, that humans consist of five genders
Dialogue: 0,0:36:34.18,0:36:36.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, male, female, bissu
Dialogue: 0,0:36:37.72,0:36:40.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they are like shamans, like the priest
Dialogue: 0,0:36:40.62,0:36:42.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and then calabai
Dialogue: 0,0:36:42.16,0:36:44.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and calalai
Dialogue: 0,0:36:44.16,0:36:46.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and I made about Calalai
Dialogue: 0,0:36:47.74,0:36:51.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, it's like they
Dialogue: 0,0:36:52.30,0:36:55.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean the Bugis people they have their own system
Dialogue: 0,0:36:55.68,0:36:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which is beyond
Dialogue: 0,0:36:58.10,0:37:00.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like they are very great I think
Dialogue: 0,0:37:01.10,0:37:02.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, very interesting for me
Dialogue: 0,0:37:03.68,0:37:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes it is, yes it is
Dialogue: 0,0:37:06.92,0:37:09.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I suppose it is also interesting for
Dialogue: 0,0:37:09.98,0:37:12.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, nowadays society, because
Dialogue: 0,0:37:12.46,0:37:13.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the more
Dialogue: 0,0:37:13.86,0:37:19.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like every day the agenda of different roles
Dialogue: 0,0:37:19.70,0:37:22.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the society roles, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:37:22.66,0:37:23.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and gender
Dialogue: 0,0:37:23.64,0:37:25.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, we discuss it...
Dialogue: 0,0:37:25.56,0:37:28.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, because nowadays also
Dialogue: 0,0:37:29.78,0:37:32.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean not only now
Dialogue: 0,0:37:35.14,0:37:38.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, many men actually
Dialogue: 0,0:37:38.50,0:37:40.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, they become like
Dialogue: 0,0:37:41.20,0:37:43.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, work at home
Dialogue: 0,0:37:43.48,0:37:46.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like taking care of the kid
Dialogue: 0,0:37:46.38,0:37:49.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like become the father
Dialogue: 0,0:37:49.14,0:37:52.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and they are not working in the office, for instance
Dialogue: 0,0:37:53.14,0:37:55.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and the wife who is working in the office
Dialogue: 0,0:37:55.72,0:37:58.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which is in some... society
Dialogue: 0,0:37:59.28,0:38:02.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's like strange or not common
Dialogue: 0,0:38:03.18,0:38:04.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but for
Dialogue: 0,0:38:05.22,0:38:08.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I mean, as long as I learn,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:08.48,0:38:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, thats' why I made this film
Dialogue: 0,0:38:11.42,0:38:14.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in Bugis society it's okay
Dialogue: 0,0:38:14.18,0:38:16.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or if women work in construction
Dialogue: 0,0:38:16.98,0:38:19.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, women become engineers,
Dialogue: 0,0:38:19.44,0:38:21.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, technicians or
Dialogue: 0,0:38:21.98,0:38:25.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, filmmakers, journalists, police
Dialogue: 0,0:38:25.26,0:38:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, police officers or smth like that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:28.28,0:38:30.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or even president
Dialogue: 0,0:38:32.04,0:38:34.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it is not smth like...
Dialogue: 0,0:38:35.06,0:38:37.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, strange
Dialogue: 0,0:38:38.52,0:38:41.58,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for Bugis society
Dialogue: 0,0:38:42.80,0:38:44.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm not Bugis but so far
Dialogue: 0,0:38:44.62,0:38:46.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, thats's what I learned about them
Dialogue: 0,0:38:46.42,0:38:49.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, Calalai is smth like that
Dialogue: 0,0:38:51.02,0:38:53.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, if you are
Dialogue: 0,0:38:53.46,0:38:56.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, biologically woman
Dialogue: 0,0:38:56.46,0:38:57.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's okay
Dialogue: 0,0:38:57.92,0:39:01.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, for instance, you now become filmmaker
Dialogue: 0,0:39:02.12,0:39:05.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which some people consider this as men's world
Dialogue: 0,0:39:05.60,0:39:08.54,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, a lot of professions in our  world
Dialogue: 0,0:39:08.54,0:39:10.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, considered to be "men's"
Dialogue: 0,0:39:10.38,0:39:12.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes yes
Dialogue: 0,0:39:13.24,0:39:15.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, Kiki and I also want to ask you
Dialogue: 0,0:39:15.56,0:39:17.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, about your latest project
Dialogue: 0,0:39:17.72,0:39:20.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the film "Roti" that
Dialogue: 0,0:39:20.72,0:39:23.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, means 'bread" in English
Dialogue: 0,0:39:23.58,0:39:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, if I'm not mistaken, it is a
Dialogue: 0,0:39:26.40,0:39:29.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, microfilm, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:39:29.48,0:39:31.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, the duration is only
Dialogue: 0,0:39:31.92,0:39:34.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, 30 seconds
Dialogue: 0,0:39:35.00,0:39:38.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's a fiction, but based on a true story
Dialogue: 0,0:39:39.08,0:39:43.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, oh, but if it's based on a true story, don't tell us the story
Dialogue: 0,0:39:43.06,0:39:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because it's only 30 secods
Dialogue: 0,0:39:45.32,0:39:47.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, don't spoil anything, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:39:48.16,0:39:49.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, no spoilers
Dialogue: 0,0:39:49.64,0:39:50.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:39:50.98,0:39:53.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but it will be screened online
Dialogue: 0,0:39:53.86,0:39:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, actually already screened in
Dialogue: 0,0:39:56.30,0:39:58.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, film festival
Dialogue: 0,0:39:58.12,0:40:01.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Feminist Film Festival in Berlin
Dialogue: 0,0:40:01.68,0:40:05.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and during this Corona time  they will screen again
Dialogue: 0,0:40:05.06,0:40:07.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the selected films
Dialogue: 0,0:40:07.62,0:40:08.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, online
Dialogue: 0,0:40:08.64,0:40:11.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, so maybe we can also give any link
Dialogue: 0,0:40:11.62,0:40:14.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or information below the video
Dialogue: 0,0:40:15.24,0:40:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, Kiki, I think I will
Dialogue: 0,0:40:17.68,0:40:19.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, try to finish our conversation
Dialogue: 0,0:40:19.52,0:40:21.96,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, even though it's very interesting
Dialogue: 0,0:40:21.96,0:40:24.70,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and very useful to get all these
Dialogue: 0,0:40:25.38,0:40:26.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, stories from you
Dialogue: 0,0:40:26.50,0:40:28.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, What do you...
Dialogue: 0,0:40:28.70,0:40:31.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Are you in the process of smth
Dialogue: 0,0:40:31.34,0:40:33.86,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, during these Coronavirus times?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:34.02,0:40:37.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or smth like this quarantine?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:37.32,0:40:40.92,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Do you have any plans any future projects?
Dialogue: 0,0:40:41.70,0:40:44.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, yeah, during this Corona time
Dialogue: 0,0:40:44.18,0:40:47.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which is we're already in quarantine
Dialogue: 0,0:40:47.08,0:40:48.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, all of us
Dialogue: 0,0:40:48.66,0:40:51.78,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, perhaps, most of us in quarantine
Dialogue: 0,0:40:53.76,0:40:56.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm working on
Dialogue: 0,0:40:56.88,0:40:58.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, video project
Dialogue: 0,0:40:59.42,0:41:03.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, which is I'm doing it in documentary way
Dialogue: 0,0:41:03.14,0:41:05.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, in the treatment
Dialogue: 0,0:41:05.20,0:41:08.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but the result will be like video art
Dialogue: 0,0:41:08.12,0:41:09.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, like experimental
Dialogue: 0,0:41:12.86,0:41:15.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, you like this moving images
Dialogue: 0,0:41:15.76,0:41:17.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, language, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:41:17.68,0:41:19.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I actually love it so much as well
Dialogue: 0,0:41:20.38,0:41:22.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah, I mean
Dialogue: 0,0:41:23.40,0:41:26.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, video, audio-visual I like
Dialogue: 0,0:41:26.40,0:41:30.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I like audio-visual, I like video so much
Dialogue: 0,0:41:33.46,0:41:36.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, besides as maker I also
Dialogue: 0,0:41:36.46,0:41:39.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, enjoy it as audience
Dialogue: 0,0:41:39.42,0:41:42.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I love to spend my time watching
Dialogue: 0,0:41:43.64,0:41:46.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, short short videos or films
Dialogue: 0,0:41:46.78,0:41:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, or I spend time in..
Dialogue: 0,0:41:48.88,0:41:52.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, before the Corona time I liked to spend time
Dialogue: 0,0:41:53.08,0:41:56.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, just go to the cinema
Dialogue: 0,0:41:56.44,0:41:58.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yes, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:41:58.22,0:41:59.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I can clearly understand you
Dialogue: 0,0:42:00.28,0:42:03.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, so, that's the language that you like to
Dialogue: 0,0:42:03.40,0:42:06.90,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, consume and that you like to produce, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:42:06.90,0:42:08.40,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, yeah yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:42:08.40,0:42:09.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, okay, Kiki,
Dialogue: 0,0:42:09.42,0:42:12.30,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, thank you so much for having this conversation with me
Dialogue: 0,0:42:12.30,0:42:14.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I'm really glad about that
Dialogue: 0,0:42:14.60,0:42:16.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I hope we can meet again
Dialogue: 0,0:42:16.56,0:42:18.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and discuss maybe some other topics
Dialogue: 0,0:42:18.76,0:42:20.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and maybe we can discuss your next project
Dialogue: 0,0:42:20.84,0:42:22.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when you're already done
Dialogue: 0,0:42:22.48,0:42:24.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, when this Coronavirus is done, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:42:24.26,0:42:25.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, hopefully
Dialogue: 0,0:42:25.42,0:42:26.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, hopefully, yeah
Dialogue: 0,0:42:26.94,0:42:29.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Thank you so much for having me
Dialogue: 0,0:42:29.34,0:42:32.22,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Thank you so much, Kiki, for sharing everything
Dialogue: 0,0:42:33.72,0:42:36.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Sampai jumpa! ( See you!)
Dialogue: 0,0:42:36.00,0:42:38.04,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, until we meet again
Dialogue: 0,0:42:39.62,0:42:41.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Bye bye!
Dialogue: 0,0:42:44.74,0:42:47.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, and now I need to end the meeting, yes
Dialogue: 0,0:42:47.80,0:42:49.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, you see this Coronavirus
Dialogue: 0,0:42:49.48,0:42:51.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, gives us different challenges
Dialogue: 0,0:42:51.80,0:42:53.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, awkwardness
Dialogue: 0,0:42:53.18,0:42:55.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, hahaha  awkwardness
Dialogue: 0,0:42:55.02,0:42:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, it's okay, still recording I know
Dialogue: 0,0:42:57.36,0:42:59.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, because we've already said goodbye to each other
Dialogue: 0,0:42:59.88,0:43:01.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, but I need to find
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.02,0:43:01.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, alright, okay
Dialogue: 0,0:43:01.80,0:43:03.74,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, the button of Ending the meeting
Dialogue: 0,0:43:03.74,0:43:05.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, I think I'm done
Dialogue: 0,0:43:05.66,0:43:06.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, thank you so much, bye bye
Dialogue: 0,0:43:06.66,0:43:08.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, thank you thank you
Dialogue: 0,0:43:08.66,0:43:09.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,, Bye bye!