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مرحبًا، بالجميع! 
أقدّم لحضراتكم برنامجي الحواريّ المتواضع.

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للأناس الذين يلهومونني،

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والذين يحفزونني على القيام بشيء.

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لذا، ضيفتنا اليوم،

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(كيكي فبريانتي).

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صانعة أفلام مستقلة من إندونيسيا.

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مرحبًا، (كيكي)! كيف حالكِ؟

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مرحبًا، أنا بخير، كيف حالكِ؟

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أنا بخير أيضًا.

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أنا على خير ما يرام، شكرًا جزيلاً!

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شكرًا جزيلاً لكِ على انضمامكِ لي اليوم.

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أعتقد أنه من المهم جدًا إجراء هذه المحادثة

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لأنني أريد الجمهور

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أن يعرف أسلوبكِ ودربكِ.

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وأودّ أن أسألكِ أيضًا،

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ماذا يعني أن تكون صانع أفلام مستقل؟

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اليوم في هذا العصر، في هذه الفترة.

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لكن لنبدأ من البداية.

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ربما يمكنكِ أن تخبرينا بالقليل،

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ما الذي استحثّ اهتمامكِ في صناعة الأفلام؟

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كيف بدأتِ؟

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إنها قصة طويلة.

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لكن لنختصرها.

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لأنّه لابد أن أعود إلى طفولتي.

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لذا، في البداية،

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في البداية، كنتُ مُلهَمة

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بصديق جَدّيّ المفضل،

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وكان مُصوّرًا صحافيًّا.

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كان يُظهِر لي أعماله غالبًا،

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وبعدها كنت أفكر بالأمر، حسنًا

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سأصبح مُصوّرة صحافية أيضًا.

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مثله تمامًا.

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كما أحبّت عائلتي أيضًا مشاهدة الأفلام.

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ووالديّ

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جدتي وأبواي

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كانوا يصطحبوني في أحيان كثيرة

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لمشاهدة الأفلام في السينما.

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على مقربة من منزلي.

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كنا نسير لمدة 5 دقائق للوصول إلى هناك.

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وبعدها،

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أعتقد

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أن الشخص الذي كان يعمل عامل نظافة هناك

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اعتاد...

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اعتاد عليّ

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كما يحدث في السينما، لذا

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عادةً قبل أن تفتح السينما أبوابها

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كان يدعوني

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للعب في الداخل.

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فقط لإلقاء نظرة على مُلصقات

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الأفلام

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والجلوس فحسب

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في داخل السينما قبل

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أن يأتي

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- مُتفرّج آخر. - نعم.

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لهذا كنتُ شغوفة بالأفلام.

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إذا، بدأ الأمر منذ نعومة أظافركِ

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- عندما كنتِ طفلة. - نعم

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وفي عام 2008

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عندما كنت في الجامعة

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انعقدت ورشة عمل لصناعة الأفلام الوثائقية.

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أتوا إلى جامعتي في "جيمبر"

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- جاوة الشرقية؟
- جاوة الشرقية؟

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- وبعدها - نعم

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حاولت الالتحاق بهذا الحدث

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وحينها وقع عليّ الاختيار

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وقع الاختيار على قصتي

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للحصول على منحة دراسية في الإنتاج.

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وبعدها

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وهكذا بدأت مجال صناعة الأفلام

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في عام 2008

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قمت بتصوير فيلمي الوثائقي الأول، أجل.

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إذا، حدث ذلك منذ 12 عامًا.

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- نعم. - نعم منذ 12 عامًا.

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ماذا كان فيلمكِ الأول؟ وعمّ كان يدور؟

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كان يدور حول شخصين

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ممن

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ممن وُسِما

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أنهما يعانيان

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من المرض العقليّ.

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و...

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ألّفت قصة تدور
حولهما وحول مشاعرهما،

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حول حياتهما،

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وكيف كافحا

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وكيف كافحا كي لا يُنبذا من المجتمع.

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في عائلتهما.

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وفي بيئتهما

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إذن، كان موضوع الفيلم

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يدور حول المرض العقلي و...

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كان يدور حول المكان

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حول المصحة، نعم،

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- لأنني شاهدت فيلمكِ 
وأعرف حبكة الفيلم - نعم.

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نعم، لذا في بداية الافتتاح

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أخبرني المؤسس أنه كان مجرد

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مكان لتعليم القرآن،
مثل تلاوة القرآن، لكن بعد ذلك،

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أتي كم غفير من الناس فقط

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كي يوفروا الملاد لأولئك الناس

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حسنًا.

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لذا أصبح هذا المكان

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أشبه بملاذٍ للناس

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المصابين بمشاكل نفسية

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- حسنًا - أجل

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كيف وجدتِ هذه القصة؟
كيف وجدتِ...

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أولئك الناس؟ كيف وجدتِ موضوعاتكِ؟

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في الواقع،

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أقمت بالفعل

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صداقة من نوع ما

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بمؤسس

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نُزُل إسلامي

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نُزُل "الغفور" الداخليّ

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لأنّ أمي..

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كان تعمل كمُعلّمة...

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في المدرسة الابتدائية، بالقرب...

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بالقرب من النُّزُل الداخليّ.

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وهكذا عرفته،

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وكثيرًا ما ينتابني الفضول،

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لأن هؤلاء الناس

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هؤلاء الذين يقيمون هناك

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ممن يعاونون من المرض العقلي

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ما ذكره الناس

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أنهم يمشون بحريةٍ.

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بحريةٍ.

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يتفاعلون مع أناس

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في الجوار.

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لذا فهم لا يشعرون أنهم في مصحة

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كما نظن

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أنهم في داخل غرفهم لا يستطيعون الخروج

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على النقيض، هم

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يقومون بالتواصلٍ...

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يقومون بالتواصل مع الأهالي هناك، أجل.

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ذلك شيء مثير للاهتمام

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بالنسبة إليّ، أجل.

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لكني أعني أن هذا الموضوع...

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محدد تمامًا، نعم وأنه...

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نعم

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مثلما في البداية

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نعتقد أنهم خطرون

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أنهم...

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أنه لابد وأن نتحاشاهم
أو شيء من هذا القبيل

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لكن ما...

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تعلمته دائمًا في طفولتي

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أنهم مثلنا تمامًا،

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أنهم لا يختلفون عني.

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أن ياستطاعتهم التواصل مع الناس،

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أن بإمكانهم الاختلاط،

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أنهم يستطيعون العمل، كنت أفكر...

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كيف هي حياتهم

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في الواقع؟

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وهم يواجهون الموقف،

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يواجهون المجتمع، يواجهون عائلاتهم

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الأمر مثير للاهتمام 
بالنسبة إليّ، أشبه بـ...

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كيف أرى ذاتي من خلال...

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من خلال هؤلاء الناس، 
من خلال الحالات المرضية.

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هذه هي الكيفية ولهذا...

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قمت بتصوير هذا الفيلم.

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كيف استجابت الحالات،

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عندما رأوا الكاميرا؟

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نعم، الشيء المضحك...

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نعم، السؤال: كيف تستجيب 
الحالات أمام الكاميرا؟

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في حالتي...

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في ذلك الفيلم الأول كان الأمر

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كانت الحالة،...

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حاولت أن أجعلهم يعتادون على الوضع

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أمام الكاميرا

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لذا في أثناء البحث العلمي
أحضرت أيضًا

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أحضرت الكاميرا

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لذا اعتادوا على وجودها

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وكانوا راضيين عن هذا

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على النقيض،

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أحد طاقم العمل

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من الذين أحضرتهم إلى موقع التصوير

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ممن...

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طلبت منه تصوير هذا

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لأنني كنت أُخرج

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لذا حاولت التواصل مع الحالة،

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وكان بحاجة لتصوير المشهد.

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هو لا يستطيع، يبدو أنّه عصبيّ

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