1 00:00:00,937 --> 00:00:03,214 I want to start with a question. 2 00:00:03,238 --> 00:00:05,171 Where does an artwork begin? 3 00:00:06,119 --> 00:00:09,095 Now sometimes that question is absurd. 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,683 It can seem deceptively simple, 5 00:00:12,707 --> 00:00:16,397 as it was when I asked the question with this piece, "Portable Planetarium," 6 00:00:16,421 --> 00:00:18,215 that I made in 2010. 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,104 I asked the question: 8 00:00:20,128 --> 00:00:23,624 "What would it look like to build a planetarium of one's own?" 9 00:00:23,998 --> 00:00:25,831 I know you all ask that every morning, 10 00:00:25,855 --> 00:00:28,182 but I asked myself that question. 11 00:00:28,562 --> 00:00:30,196 And as an artist, 12 00:00:30,220 --> 00:00:33,141 I was thinking about our effort, 13 00:00:33,165 --> 00:00:38,714 our desire, our continual longing that we've had over the years 14 00:00:38,738 --> 00:00:41,539 to make meaning of the world around us 15 00:00:41,563 --> 00:00:42,967 through materials. 16 00:00:43,492 --> 00:00:46,967 And for me, to try and find the kind of wonder, 17 00:00:46,991 --> 00:00:52,252 but also a kind of futility that lies in that very fragile pursuit, 18 00:00:52,276 --> 00:00:53,728 is part of my art work. 19 00:00:53,752 --> 00:00:57,244 So I bring together the materials I find around me, 20 00:00:57,268 --> 00:01:00,546 I gather them to try and create experiences, 21 00:01:00,570 --> 00:01:04,229 immersive experiences that occupy rooms, 22 00:01:04,253 --> 00:01:07,229 that occupy walls, landscapes, buildings. 23 00:01:07,253 --> 00:01:10,320 But ultimately, I want them to occupy memory. 24 00:01:10,847 --> 00:01:13,379 And after I've made a work, 25 00:01:13,403 --> 00:01:18,053 I find that there's usually one memory of that work that burns in my head. 26 00:01:18,077 --> 00:01:19,617 And this is the memory for me -- 27 00:01:19,641 --> 00:01:22,281 it was this sudden kind of surprising experience 28 00:01:22,305 --> 00:01:25,696 of being immersed inside that work of art. 29 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,760 And it stayed with me and kind of reoccurred in my work 30 00:01:28,784 --> 00:01:30,322 about 10 years later. 31 00:01:30,346 --> 00:01:34,291 But I want to go back to my graduate school studio. 32 00:01:34,315 --> 00:01:37,752 I think it's interesting, sometimes, when you start a body of work, 33 00:01:37,776 --> 00:01:40,787 you need to just completely wipe the plate clean, 34 00:01:40,811 --> 00:01:41,986 take everything away. 35 00:01:42,010 --> 00:01:44,621 And this may not look like wiping the plate clean, 36 00:01:44,645 --> 00:01:45,845 but for me, it was. 37 00:01:46,208 --> 00:01:50,006 Because I had studied painting for about 10 years, 38 00:01:50,030 --> 00:01:51,712 and when I went to graduate school, 39 00:01:51,736 --> 00:01:54,911 I realized that I had developed skill, but I didn't have a subject. 40 00:01:54,935 --> 00:01:56,442 It was like an athletic skill, 41 00:01:56,466 --> 00:01:58,512 because I could paint the figure quickly, 42 00:01:58,536 --> 00:01:59,702 but I didn't know why. 43 00:01:59,726 --> 00:02:02,063 I could paint it well, but it didn't have content. 44 00:02:02,087 --> 00:02:06,047 And so I decided to put all the paints aside for a while, 45 00:02:06,071 --> 00:02:08,848 and to ask this question, which was: 46 00:02:08,872 --> 00:02:12,592 "Why and how do objects acquire value for us?" 47 00:02:12,616 --> 00:02:17,671 How does a shirt that I know thousands of people wear, 48 00:02:17,695 --> 00:02:18,902 a shirt like this one, 49 00:02:18,926 --> 00:02:20,839 how does it somehow feel like it's mine? 50 00:02:20,863 --> 00:02:22,490 So I started with that experiment, 51 00:02:22,514 --> 00:02:26,229 I decided, by collecting materials that had a certain quality to them. 52 00:02:26,253 --> 00:02:28,903 They were mass-produced, easily accessible, 53 00:02:28,927 --> 00:02:32,276 completely designed for the purpose of their use, 54 00:02:32,300 --> 00:02:33,603 not for their aesthetic. 55 00:02:33,627 --> 00:02:37,077 So things like toothpicks, thumbtacks, 56 00:02:37,101 --> 00:02:38,635 pieces of toilet paper, 57 00:02:38,659 --> 00:02:43,680 to see if in the way that I put my energy, my hand, my time into them, 58 00:02:43,704 --> 00:02:48,593 that the behavior could actually create a kind of value in the work itself. 59 00:02:48,617 --> 00:02:51,887 One of the other ideas is, I wanted the work to become live. 60 00:02:51,911 --> 00:02:54,019 So I wanted to take it off of the pedestal, 61 00:02:54,043 --> 00:02:55,410 not have a frame around it, 62 00:02:55,434 --> 00:02:58,395 have the experience not be that you came to something 63 00:02:58,419 --> 00:03:00,180 and told you that it was important, 64 00:03:00,204 --> 00:03:03,489 but that you discover that it was in your own time. 65 00:03:03,513 --> 00:03:07,381 So this is like a very, very old idea in sculpture, 66 00:03:07,405 --> 00:03:11,896 which is: How do we breathe life into inanimate materials? 67 00:03:12,405 --> 00:03:14,604 And so, I would go to a space like this, 68 00:03:14,628 --> 00:03:15,834 where there was a wall, 69 00:03:15,858 --> 00:03:17,997 and use the paint itself, 70 00:03:18,021 --> 00:03:19,695 pull the paint out off the wall, 71 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:22,315 the wall paint into space to create a sculpture. 72 00:03:22,339 --> 00:03:24,395 Because I was also interested in this idea 73 00:03:24,419 --> 00:03:27,780 that these terms, "sculpture," "painting," "installation" -- 74 00:03:27,804 --> 00:03:30,766 none of these mattered in the way we actually see the world. 75 00:03:30,790 --> 00:03:33,320 So I wanted to blur those boundaries, 76 00:03:33,344 --> 00:03:36,548 both between mediums that artists talk about, 77 00:03:36,572 --> 00:03:40,254 but also blur the experience of being in life and being in art, 78 00:03:40,278 --> 00:03:42,148 so that when you are in your everyday, 79 00:03:42,172 --> 00:03:44,453 or when you are in one of my works, 80 00:03:44,477 --> 00:03:48,087 and you saw, you recognized the everyday, 81 00:03:48,111 --> 00:03:52,373 you could then move that experience into your own life, 82 00:03:52,397 --> 00:03:55,786 and perhaps see the art in everyday life. 83 00:03:56,386 --> 00:03:58,148 I was in graduate school in the '90s, 84 00:03:58,172 --> 00:04:01,149 and my studio just became more and more filled with images, 85 00:04:01,173 --> 00:04:02,323 as did my life. 86 00:04:02,347 --> 00:04:05,720 And this confusion of images and objects 87 00:04:05,744 --> 00:04:09,664 was really part of the way I was trying to make sense of materials. 88 00:04:09,688 --> 00:04:12,458 And also, I was interested in how this might change 89 00:04:12,482 --> 00:04:15,363 the way that we actually experience time. 90 00:04:15,387 --> 00:04:17,807 If we're experiencing time through materials, 91 00:04:17,831 --> 00:04:22,749 what happens when images and objects become confused in space? 92 00:04:22,773 --> 00:04:27,082 So I started by doing some of these experiments with images. 93 00:04:27,106 --> 00:04:30,863 And if you look back to the 1880s, 94 00:04:30,887 --> 00:04:34,831 that's when the first photographs started turning into film. 95 00:04:34,855 --> 00:04:39,965 And they were done through studies of animals, 96 00:04:39,989 --> 00:04:41,146 the movement of animals. 97 00:04:41,170 --> 00:04:44,276 So horses in the United States, birds in France. 98 00:04:44,300 --> 00:04:45,983 They were these studies of movement 99 00:04:46,007 --> 00:04:48,487 that then slowly, like zoetropes, became film. 100 00:04:48,511 --> 00:04:51,307 So I decided, I will take an animal 101 00:04:51,331 --> 00:04:53,077 and I'm going to play with that idea 102 00:04:53,101 --> 00:04:57,619 of how the image is not static for us anymore, it's moving. 103 00:04:57,930 --> 00:04:59,113 It's moving in space. 104 00:04:59,137 --> 00:05:03,077 And so I chose as my character the cheetah, 105 00:05:03,101 --> 00:05:07,101 because she is the fastest land-dwelling creature on earth. 106 00:05:07,125 --> 00:05:08,364 And she holds that record, 107 00:05:08,388 --> 00:05:10,363 and I want to use her record 108 00:05:10,387 --> 00:05:14,267 to actually make it kind of a measuring stick for time. 109 00:05:14,291 --> 00:05:17,646 And so this is what she looked like in the sculpture 110 00:05:17,670 --> 00:05:19,029 as she moved through space. 111 00:05:19,053 --> 00:05:22,367 This kind of broken framing of the image in space, 112 00:05:22,391 --> 00:05:25,145 because I had put up notepad paper 113 00:05:25,169 --> 00:05:27,644 and had it actually project on it. 114 00:05:27,668 --> 00:05:30,831 Then I did this experiment where you have kind of a race, 115 00:05:30,855 --> 00:05:33,403 with these new tools and video that I could play with. 116 00:05:33,427 --> 00:05:35,301 So the falcon moves out in front, 117 00:05:35,325 --> 00:05:37,149 the cheetah, she comes in second, 118 00:05:37,173 --> 00:05:39,977 and the rhino is trying to catch up behind. 119 00:05:40,001 --> 00:05:41,747 Then another one of the experiments, 120 00:05:41,771 --> 00:05:42,984 I was thinking about how, 121 00:05:43,008 --> 00:05:47,231 if we try and remember one thing that happened to us 122 00:05:47,255 --> 00:05:49,688 when we were, let's say, 10 years old. 123 00:05:49,712 --> 00:05:53,386 It's very hard to remember even what happened in that year. 124 00:05:53,410 --> 00:05:55,783 And for me, I can think of maybe one, maybe two, 125 00:05:55,807 --> 00:06:01,073 and that one moment has expanded in my mind 126 00:06:01,097 --> 00:06:02,518 to fill that entire year. 127 00:06:02,542 --> 00:06:05,717 So we don't experience time in minutes and seconds. 128 00:06:05,741 --> 00:06:09,577 So this is a still of the video that I took, 129 00:06:09,601 --> 00:06:11,371 printed out on a piece of paper, 130 00:06:11,395 --> 00:06:14,869 the paper is torn and then the video is projected on top of it. 131 00:06:15,323 --> 00:06:17,028 And I wanted to play with this idea 132 00:06:17,052 --> 00:06:20,910 of how, in this kind of complete immersion of images 133 00:06:20,934 --> 00:06:22,776 that's enveloped us, 134 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,697 how one image can actually grow 135 00:06:26,721 --> 00:06:28,329 and can haunt us. 136 00:06:29,030 --> 00:06:30,284 So I had all of these -- 137 00:06:30,308 --> 00:06:34,408 these are three out of, like, 100 experiments I was trying with images 138 00:06:34,432 --> 00:06:35,638 for over about a decade, 139 00:06:35,662 --> 00:06:37,107 and never showing them, 140 00:06:37,131 --> 00:06:42,282 and I thought, OK, how do I bring this out of the studio, into a public space, 141 00:06:42,306 --> 00:06:45,459 but retain this kind of energy of experimentation 142 00:06:45,483 --> 00:06:47,819 that you see when you go into a laboratory, 143 00:06:47,843 --> 00:06:49,747 you see when you go into a studio, 144 00:06:49,771 --> 00:06:51,938 and I had this show coming up and I just said, 145 00:06:51,962 --> 00:06:55,141 alright, I'm going to put my desk right in the middle of the room. 146 00:06:55,165 --> 00:06:57,458 So I brought my desk and I put it in the room, 147 00:06:57,482 --> 00:07:01,491 and it actually worked in this kind of very surprising way to me, 148 00:07:01,515 --> 00:07:06,614 in that it was this kind of flickering, because of the video screens, from afar. 149 00:07:06,638 --> 00:07:08,466 And it had all of the projectors on it, 150 00:07:08,490 --> 00:07:11,022 so the projectors were creating the space around it, 151 00:07:11,046 --> 00:07:14,094 but you were drawn towards the flickering like a flame. 152 00:07:14,443 --> 00:07:16,506 And then you were enveloped in the piece 153 00:07:16,530 --> 00:07:18,847 at the scale that we're all very familiar with, 154 00:07:18,871 --> 00:07:24,174 which is the scale of being in front of a desk or a sink or a table, 155 00:07:24,198 --> 00:07:27,563 and you are immersed, then, back into this scale, 156 00:07:27,587 --> 00:07:31,523 this one-to-one scale of the body in relation to the image. 157 00:07:31,547 --> 00:07:33,300 But on this surface, 158 00:07:33,324 --> 00:07:37,768 you had these projections on paper being blown in the wind, 159 00:07:37,792 --> 00:07:40,656 so there was this confusion of what was an image 160 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,164 and what was an object. 161 00:07:42,188 --> 00:07:45,450 So this is what the work looked like when it went into a larger room, 162 00:07:45,474 --> 00:07:47,276 and it wasn't until I made this piece 163 00:07:47,300 --> 00:07:52,299 that I realized that I'd effectively made the interior of a planetarium, 164 00:07:52,323 --> 00:07:54,261 without even realizing that. 165 00:07:54,285 --> 00:07:58,815 And I remembered, as a child, loving going to the planetarium. 166 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:00,503 And back then, the planetarium, 167 00:08:00,527 --> 00:08:03,990 there was always not only these amazing images on the ceiling, 168 00:08:04,014 --> 00:08:07,958 but you could see the projector itself whizzing and burring, 169 00:08:07,982 --> 00:08:11,125 and this amazing camera in the middle of the room. 170 00:08:11,149 --> 00:08:15,371 And it was that, along with seeing the audience around you looking up, 171 00:08:15,395 --> 00:08:18,172 because there was an audience in the round at that time, 172 00:08:18,196 --> 00:08:21,133 and seeing them, and experiencing, being part of an audience. 173 00:08:21,157 --> 00:08:24,926 So this is an image from the web that I downloaded 174 00:08:24,950 --> 00:08:28,148 of people who took images of themselves in the work. 175 00:08:28,172 --> 00:08:29,322 And I like this image 176 00:08:29,346 --> 00:08:32,481 because you see how the figures get mixed with the work. 177 00:08:32,505 --> 00:08:36,926 So you have the shadow of a visitor against the projection, 178 00:08:36,950 --> 00:08:39,688 and you also see the projections across a person's shirt. 179 00:08:39,712 --> 00:08:43,150 So there were these self-portraits made in the work itself, 180 00:08:43,174 --> 00:08:44,325 and then posted, 181 00:08:44,349 --> 00:08:48,181 and it felt like a kind of cyclical image-making process. 182 00:08:48,205 --> 00:08:49,934 And a kind of an end to that. 183 00:08:49,958 --> 00:08:53,529 But it reminded me and brought me back to the planetarium, 184 00:08:53,553 --> 00:08:54,855 and that interior, 185 00:08:54,879 --> 00:08:56,831 and I started to go back to painting. 186 00:08:56,855 --> 00:09:01,061 And thinking about how a painting is actually, for me, 187 00:09:01,085 --> 00:09:03,919 about the interior images that we all have. 188 00:09:03,943 --> 00:09:05,688 There's so many interior images, 189 00:09:05,712 --> 00:09:08,688 and we've become so focused on what's outside our eyes. 190 00:09:09,204 --> 00:09:12,701 And how do we store memory in our mind, 191 00:09:12,725 --> 00:09:15,546 how certain images emerge out of nowhere 192 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:17,618 or can fall apart over time. 193 00:09:17,642 --> 00:09:21,118 And I started to call this series the "Afterimage" series, 194 00:09:21,142 --> 00:09:25,347 which was a reference to this idea that if we all close our eyes right now, 195 00:09:25,371 --> 00:09:27,950 you can see there's this flickering light that lingers, 196 00:09:27,974 --> 00:09:30,117 and when we open it again, it lingers again -- 197 00:09:30,141 --> 00:09:31,656 this is happening all the time. 198 00:09:31,680 --> 00:09:37,161 And an afterimage is something that a photograph can never replace, 199 00:09:37,185 --> 00:09:39,415 you never feel that in a photograph. 200 00:09:39,439 --> 00:09:43,106 So it really reminds you of the limits of the camera's lens. 201 00:09:43,130 --> 00:09:46,304 So it was this idea of taking the images that were outside of me -- 202 00:09:46,328 --> 00:09:47,482 this is my studio -- 203 00:09:47,506 --> 00:09:51,990 and then trying to figure out how they were being represented inside me. 204 00:09:52,014 --> 00:09:53,400 So really quickly, 205 00:09:53,424 --> 00:09:57,600 I'm just going to whiz through how a process might develop 206 00:09:57,624 --> 00:09:58,776 for the next piece. 207 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,347 So it might start with a sketch, 208 00:10:01,371 --> 00:10:03,716 or an image that's burned in my memory 209 00:10:03,740 --> 00:10:04,903 from the 18th century -- 210 00:10:04,927 --> 00:10:07,175 it's Piranesi's "Colosseum." 211 00:10:07,830 --> 00:10:10,196 Or a model the size of a basketball -- 212 00:10:10,220 --> 00:10:11,839 I built this around a basketball, 213 00:10:11,863 --> 00:10:14,974 the scale's evidenced by the red cup behind it. 214 00:10:14,998 --> 00:10:17,998 And that model can be put into a larger piece as a seed, 215 00:10:18,022 --> 00:10:20,378 and that seed can grow into a bigger piece. 216 00:10:20,402 --> 00:10:23,735 And that piece can fill a very, very large space. 217 00:10:24,077 --> 00:10:29,456 But it can funnel down into a video that's just made from my iPhone, 218 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,085 of a puddle outside my studio in a rainy night. 219 00:10:34,457 --> 00:10:38,444 So this is an afterimage of the painting made in my memory, 220 00:10:38,468 --> 00:10:42,118 and even that painting can fade as memory does. 221 00:10:42,142 --> 00:10:45,690 So this is the scale of a very small image 222 00:10:45,714 --> 00:10:46,967 from my sketchbook. 223 00:10:46,991 --> 00:10:48,752 You can see how it can explode 224 00:10:48,776 --> 00:10:51,776 to a subway station that spans three blocks. 225 00:10:52,149 --> 00:10:54,593 And you could see how going into the subway station 226 00:10:54,617 --> 00:10:58,880 is like a journey through the pages of a sketchbook, 227 00:10:58,904 --> 00:11:04,039 and you can see sort of a diary of work writ across a public space, 228 00:11:04,063 --> 00:11:06,753 and you're turning the pages of 20 years of art work 229 00:11:06,777 --> 00:11:09,007 as you move through the subway. 230 00:11:09,031 --> 00:11:12,666 But even that sketch actually has a different origin, 231 00:11:12,690 --> 00:11:18,918 it has an origin in a sculpture that climbs a six-story building, 232 00:11:18,942 --> 00:11:22,125 and is scaled to a cat from the year 2002. 233 00:11:22,149 --> 00:11:25,268 I remember that because I had two black cats at the time. 234 00:11:25,617 --> 00:11:28,395 And this is an image of a work from Japan 235 00:11:28,419 --> 00:11:30,705 that you can see the afterimage of in the subway. 236 00:11:30,729 --> 00:11:32,498 Or a work in Venice, 237 00:11:32,522 --> 00:11:35,387 where you see the image etched in the wall. 238 00:11:35,411 --> 00:11:39,696 Or how a sculpture that I did at SFMOMA in 2001, 239 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,188 and created this kind of dynamic line, 240 00:11:42,212 --> 00:11:45,141 how I stole that to create a dynamic line 241 00:11:45,165 --> 00:11:48,117 as you descend down into the subway itself. 242 00:11:48,141 --> 00:11:50,768 And this merging of mediums is really interesting to me. 243 00:11:50,792 --> 00:11:54,435 So how can you take a line that pulls tension like a sculpture 244 00:11:54,459 --> 00:11:55,862 and put it into a print? 245 00:11:55,886 --> 00:11:58,425 Or then use line like a drawing in a sculpture 246 00:11:58,449 --> 00:12:00,734 to create a dramatic perspective? 247 00:12:00,758 --> 00:12:04,251 Or how can a painting mimic the process of printmaking? 248 00:12:05,013 --> 00:12:08,173 How can an installation use the camera's lens 249 00:12:08,197 --> 00:12:09,952 to frame a landscape? 250 00:12:10,308 --> 00:12:15,300 How can a painting on string become a moment in Denmark, 251 00:12:15,324 --> 00:12:17,202 in the middle of a trek? 252 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:20,601 And how, on the High Line, can you create a piece 253 00:12:20,625 --> 00:12:23,649 that camouflages itself into the nature itself 254 00:12:23,673 --> 00:12:27,298 and becomes a habitat for the nature around it? 255 00:12:28,729 --> 00:12:31,776 And I'll just end with two pieces that I'm making now. 256 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,688 This is a piece called "Fallen Sky" 257 00:12:33,712 --> 00:12:37,180 that's going to be a permanent commission in Hudson Valley, 258 00:12:37,204 --> 00:12:40,450 and it's kind of the planetarium finally come down 259 00:12:40,474 --> 00:12:42,744 and grounding itself in the earth. 260 00:12:42,768 --> 00:12:46,280 And this is a work from 2013 that's going to be reinstalled, 261 00:12:46,304 --> 00:12:49,978 have a new life in the reopening of MOMA. 262 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,804 And it's a piece that the tool itself is the sculpture. 263 00:12:53,828 --> 00:12:56,526 So the pendulum, as it swings, 264 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:59,426 is used as a tool to create the piece. 265 00:12:59,450 --> 00:13:02,335 So each of the piles of objects 266 00:13:02,359 --> 00:13:07,912 go right up to one centimeter to the tip of that pendulum. 267 00:13:07,936 --> 00:13:11,871 So you have this combination of the lull of that beautiful swing, 268 00:13:11,895 --> 00:13:15,808 but also the tension that it constantly could destroy the piece itself. 269 00:13:16,474 --> 00:13:19,736 And so, it doesn't really matter where any of these pieces end up, 270 00:13:19,760 --> 00:13:22,547 because the real point for me 271 00:13:22,571 --> 00:13:25,625 is that they end up in your memory over time, 272 00:13:25,649 --> 00:13:29,177 and they generate ideas beyond themselves. 273 00:13:29,817 --> 00:13:30,968 Thank you. 274 00:13:30,992 --> 00:13:37,612 (Applause)