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[Samantha Markle] It's not just me.

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It's happening, all around the world,
to people.

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And, these people know
that they can get away with it,

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if they -- or, they think they can,

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if they go hide under a VPN.

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'Hey, they won't know my ISP,
if I do this through a VPN.'

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So, it makes it harder
for law enforcement to get them.

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So, one of the things that
twitter, and facebook,

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and Instagram, and others
can do,

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to help law enforcement,

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and help keep their 
participants safe:

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biometrics.

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If you get on your computer,
to sign in,

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you're using face recognition.

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Or, your fingerprint.

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Or, your -- or your I. D.

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Is that a violation
of freedom and privacy?

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Hell, no.

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Because they're not out --
they're out there violating others'

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freedom and privacy,
to the extent of criminal acts.

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Criminals are not guaranteed anonymity,
under any law.

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If they're going to be out there
breaking laws,

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and -- and -- committing crime,

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you're --- you're not entitled
to privacy and protection under the law,

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of your face, and your I. D., and your --
no, you're --

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I think you have an onus,

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as a mature, responsible user
of these social interfaces,

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to be transparent.

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You know, yeah -- I'm not out there
committing criminal acts, and

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I'm going to prove it, by
letting everybody know who I am.

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You know, by being transparent.

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That's just how I feel.

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[Staci DaSilva] So when did you start
getting harassed?

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[S. Markle] So, I started getting harassed

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around the time of the 
royal wedding.

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And, and -- the moment that
people knew

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I disagreed with some things
about my sister,

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such as, you know,

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not inviting both sides
of the family,

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and, um...

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the possibility of my book
coming out.

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That was another
controversial subject.

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I started getting threats,

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and people would send
and tweet

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photographs of me
being viewed

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through a high-powered scope,

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behind broken glass,

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with my face in targets.

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You know, if that's not
obvious symbolism,

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I don't know what is.

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But, it was all 
with the intent to

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intimidate,
keep me in fear,

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uh, prevent me from
releasing my book.

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And you can't do that
to people.

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We have freedom of speech.

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And, just because

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someone might not like
what I have to say,

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or that I have
a book coming out,

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doesn't mean that they can

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engage in criminal activity,

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coercion, threats, intimidation,

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to prevent my exercising
my freedom of speech.

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[S. DaSilva] Was this on
facebook and twitter?

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[S. Markle] Mmm-hmm.

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And I don't have an
Instagram account.

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I started one
several years ago,

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and, like I just,

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I think I said "Hello?"

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I never used it,

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but it's got
thousands of followers.

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And, it gets daunting.

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Like I can't, I can't
go, and get to

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every platform, and say,

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"Hey, shut this down,
it's not me,"

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so, there are so many
fake accounts out there,

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that are out there saying
disparaging things,

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and parody accounts.

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Those are also attempts at
this, you know,

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uh, defamation, libel, slander,
bullying. Uh --

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[S. DaSilva] How often do you
hear from these trolls?

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I mean, on your social media
accounts?

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[S. Markle] Um, I shut it down,
so I don't see their mentions.

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Because it got to the point

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where they were always
mentioning me,

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trying to, you know,

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flag themselves,
and get attention,

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and say horrible things,
and Photoshop and

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create things to villainize
or criminalize me.

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I just thought, you know,
"That's not real."

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And, for people out there

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who are bullied in cyberspace,

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you know, I want -- I just --

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especially young people.

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I want to say,

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"You really can't 
give that legs."

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"You can't give it breath."

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"It's not real, unless

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you allow it to consume you,
and you make it real."

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Um, so...

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you know, teenagers, who
go through this.

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They don't have the resources

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to leave their high schools,

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or move out of their
communities,

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and they are very trapped.

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And it's overwhelming for them.

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And, some of these trolls

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have such a large presence,

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creating bots, and multiple avatars,

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that these teenagers feel like

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they're being attacked
by hundreds of people,

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when, really, they're not.

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They're being attacked by a few,

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who make themselves out
to be bigger.

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Well, that's what bullies do.

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They puff their chest.

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They want to feel big.

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They want to feel like
they've got a lot of power.

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And, for teenagers,

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it's often inescapable, and

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it results in suicidal ideation,
and even suicide.

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So, they need strong support systems.

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Their parents, their friends.
They need counseling.

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But, more than that,

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they need to remember
that these people

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are only real, and powerful,
if you let them be.

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It's important to reach out,
and communicate,

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and call them on what 
they are doing,

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before they become
a real problem.

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[S. DaSilva] You had to leave
your home, correct?

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How many times
have you had to move?

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[S. Markle] Twice.

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[S. DaSilva] Twice. And, from 
Florida, to Virginia?

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[S. Markle] I moved from Florida
to Virginia,

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and then, the same thing
happened in Virginia.

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They were sharing my address,

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and asking me if 
it sounded familiar.

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Um, showing pictures of me,
behind a scope.

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But, it got worse than that.

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They were sharing, uh, images
of me, being seen through

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our security cameras.

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Or, me, outside, with 
my boyfriend

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helping me
get into my vehicle.

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That could've only been
either planted in trees, or

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seen through 
our own devices.

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Which let me know
that I was very hacked,

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and I was being watched.

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Um, they shared pictures

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of my boyfriend, looking at himself

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on his own cell phone.

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Which let me know

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that they had hacked
our devices.

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And, their apps had
camera access.

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And, they were mentioning

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conversations that we had
in our living room,

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about money,
or other things.

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And they would say,

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"Hey, what about that
thousand dollars?"

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So, they were
acquiescing

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to not only stalking,

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but hacking.

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For someone like me...

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I'm a counselor,

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I'm pretty intelligent,

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you know, I think 
I can handle it, and

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analyze it for what it is?

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But, for a teenager...

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who is, you know,

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going through identity crisis,

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and, you know,

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has a self-esteem

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that is not totally 
evolved, yet?

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It can be terrifying.

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When you know
you are being watched,

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and everything that you do

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is being twisted,

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and used against you,
to defame you,

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and to threaten.

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So -- yeah, cyber-bullying
is horrible,

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and I think that
the burden really needs

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to be on social media 
platforms.

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Twitter, facebook, 
Instagram. All of them.

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Um, especially the new ones,
coming up.

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To have strict 
identification measures

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in place, for its users,
to prevent this.

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[S. DaSilva] So, you moved 
to Polk county

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about six months ago?

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[S. Markle] Yeah.

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[S. DaSilva] Did you 
want to say

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what town we are in,
right now?

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Or would you want to
just keep it at Polk county?

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[S. Markle] Yeah.
[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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Why did you choose
Polk county?

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[S. Markle] It's gorgeous.

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I love the lakes,
I love, you know --

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it's, uh -- it's
a little more central.

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Where I was --
Well, I didn't like fire ants.

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In Ocala, it seemed to be
one of those things

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that was just indigenous 
to the area, so.

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Um, but I really...

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I wanted the happy medium.

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Being close to water,

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as I was in 
Southern California.

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And here, I have it,
without the smog.

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But, I have family here,

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and I love the people here.

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So, I'm staying.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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And, you moved about
six months ago.

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And, this summer,

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you filed a complaint
with the sheriff's office.

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Why did you do that?

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[S. Markle] Because,

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I was being
stalked and harassed.

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Um, my boyfriend
got a ticket

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for a tail light
on a trailer, being out.

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And, it was supposed
to stay confidential.

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But, the address
on that ticket

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was somehow released,
because

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trolls were able to comb through

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courthouse computer databases.

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The problem with that is,
that, you know --

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yeah, some court records
are private,

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but it wasn't in the news.

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And, I was having my
identity and my location

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protected by a real estate 
company,

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under the circumstances.

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[S. DaSilva] Can we just 
take that time code down?

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Because she said the address,

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and we did want to
put this interview online?

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So, I don't think we want to
put the address online. Correct?

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[S. Markle] Okay. Sorry.

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[Man] About 14:56. 
Right around there.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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Just so, when we go back,
we can take that out, for you.

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[Man] Be careful.

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[S. Markle] I know, I know.

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[S. DaSilva] Um, sorry.
14:56 something?

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[Man] Yeah,
right around 14:56, yeah.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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[S. Markle] Okay.
[S. DaSilva] Okay, sorry.

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[S. Markle] So, so.

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They were saying:

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"Hey, does this number
or this street match?"

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"Does this sound familiar?"

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And, I, you know --

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in other words, they 
were taunting me,

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with my address, 
and my location,

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letting me know

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that they were out there,
sharing it.

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They were also sharing, um,
screenshot admissions

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of having my
Social Security number.

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Then, they said, they said,

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"Oh, but we guessed
your Social Security number."

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Well, out of all the billions
of possible combinations?

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That couldn't be possible.

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So -- you know,
they were telling on themselves.

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And the bottom line, here,
is that

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there is very private information
that they were actively, all day,

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obsessed about and combing,
to get every little detail about me.

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That acquiesces to stalking.

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Because uh, uh, you know,
someone who you don't know

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doesn't have a right 
to be looking,

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to see if there is
anything about you in court,

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to see what's going on
with your medical records.

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To share your address.

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To be direct messaging people 
and asking questions about you.

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Unless they are a reporter,
or they have some valid reason,

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for...getting every piece of information
they can, about you,

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and taunting you with it.

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Like: "Hey, what about this?
And what about that?"

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Well, who are you,

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to ask me "What about this
and what about that?"

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And, to try and spin it,

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to villainize or criminalize me?

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So, for -- I can see how,
for teenagers,

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that's overwhelming.

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[S. DaSilva] Mm-hm. Yeah.
You talked about the teenagers.

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But, has the sheriff's office
been open to your complaint,

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and been taking it seriously?

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[S. Markle] Yeah, since we started
this whole thing.

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You know, I showed them
everything,

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and let them know
what was going on.

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And, you know, I --
I'm really lucky,

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to live in a state
that takes that seriously.

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You know, the cyber-stalking
and "stand your ground" laws.

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I feel really safe.

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And it's nice to know

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that law enforcement 
is proactive about that.

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You know, you can't
do that to a person.

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You can't taunt them,
put them in fear,

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um, intimidate them --

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harass them --

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and encourage others,
on a wide scale,

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to engage in
targeted harassment.

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It's -- nobody, nobody
deserves to live like that.

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And, certainly not
for expressing freedom of speech.

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Because, you're a journalist.

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If you did a report, and somebody
didn't like something you had to say,

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You know...it's really psychotic,
that anybody would

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go to that extreme, 
to suppress what you have to say,

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and to make every corner of your life
public information,

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twisting it in a negative way.

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To put you in fear, or shame.

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[S. DaSilva] And, your reaction to
the news spreading across the world

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that you were the target
of the investigation for

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things you have said
about your sister,

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vs. what actually is happening.

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[S. Markle] Well -- and I think
that's really important too,

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because there is a problem
with aggregate news.

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I understand that journalists
and bloggers get so busy,

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and a lot of them, you know --

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there is often, on one side
of, you know, the coin,

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there is paid P. R. 
that spins things.

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But there is also
aggregate news error, that happens.

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When they see fragments
of information,

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they don't have a lot
of time to pop the stories out,

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and they just copy them verbatim.

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Maybe, with extra words,
and spin it a little bit more.

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And suddenly,
the victim becomes the suspect.

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Because someone didn't understand

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what "being at the center 
of investigation" means.

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Well, it doesn't mean
I'm the suspect.

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And, they didn't ask.
They didn't bother to ask.

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They just assumed,
and put it in print,

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that I was the suspect,
not the victim.

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Shouldn't happen.

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[S. DaSilva] So there, as you --
Are you afraid for your life?

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Here in Polk county?

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[S. Markle] Well, yeah, I have been.

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And, and, you know,
if you can imagine

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seeing your face
on a bulls-eye

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behind broken glass,
or on a dartboard.

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And, pictures of someone
like Matt Damon,

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looking through a
high-powered scope,

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a clip from a film, 
or a GIF.

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And, "You can run
but you can't hide, Samantha."

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Those things are symbolic,
and they are put out there

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with the intent
of putting you in fear.

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Intimidating you,

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preventing you from
publishing a book,

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um -- which happened, too.
You know...

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"We're gonna,
if you put your book out,

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we're gonna download it,
and share it for free,

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so nobody buys it."

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Those are -- those are 
intimidation, uh, tactics,

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that are against the law.

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On many levels.

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And so, yeah,
it was scary for me.

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I am in a wheelchair.

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I don't need to feel like,


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I am a slow moving target,
going out of my own home.

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Nobody has a right
to do that to me, and

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they are subject
to legal sanction.

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It's just -- that's not how
a legal, you know,

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high functioning society
operates.

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And, those criminals need
to be made examples of.

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They need to experience
specific deterrents, under the law.

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And, they need to be
made out to be, you know,

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examples of general deterrents.

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So other would-be 
cyber-bullies know,

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"Hey, don't do the crime,
if you can't do the time,"

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and most local
law enforcement,

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local and federal
law enforcement agencies,

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will come get ya.

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You know, VPN or not,

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there are ways to
find these offenders.

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[S. DaSilva] What do you say
to critics who say,

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"You spoke out. You know,
you were vocal, you wrote a book."

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[S. Markle] Well --

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[S. DaSilva] "You tweeted..."

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[S. Markle] But, writing a book
and speaking out...

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you know, my father
had two heart attacks.

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I didn't agree with
my sister's treatment of the family.

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That does not give
some of these unhinged people

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license, or the right

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to engage in criminal activity
against me.

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Stalk, harass, incite violence
against me.

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It's like, any of us
who have fought

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for freedom of speech,


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whether the issue
is gender, race, political issues,

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just because you say something

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doesn't give people who disagree 
with you,

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the right to put you in fear
and suppress your opinion,

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by threatening you
when you do.

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And that, you know --

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I think that's what
we really need to make a precedent.

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We're not tolerating this
any more.

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We all have to 'agree to disagree'
under the law,

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because if you take it
beyond those legal boundaries,

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and you engage in
criminal activity, intent,

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you know, um --
intimidation, and harassment,

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um, with the intent
to put someone in fear,

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if they speak?

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It's against the law.

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[S. DaSilva] Do you have any regrets

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for anything that has happened,
since, you said,

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around the royal wedding?

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[S. Markle] Um...

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the only regret...

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no, I don't have regrets.

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Because I was being honest.

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And I've always said,

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"You shouldn't regret
telling the truth."

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And, when you tell the truth,
you know --

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yeah, I don't think
the whistle blower is the problem.

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But, if you do it
from a heartfelt place,

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and it's about family,

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and it's about
something you care about,

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when you tell the truth,

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the person on the
receiving end,

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or who you are
telling the truth about,

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has the opportunity,

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but, I believe also,
responsibility,

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to say,

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"Hey. Let me hear what
you have to say.

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Let's communicate.

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Let's have a meeting
of the minds,

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and make things better.

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Let's do what's right, here."

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And, the only way
the right thing can happen

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is if people
talk about it.

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Silence, as
the status quo,

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accomplishes nothing.

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So, you know,

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where people were afraid
to speak,

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because of this high prestige
issue, um...

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it's wrong.

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Because there's a real
family issue there.

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The public got involved.

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They took it too far,
without saying,

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"Hey, they are family.

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They can speak out
if they want to.

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It's not really
our business."

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But, they had their
own agendas.

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So, you can't suppress
freedom of speech.

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Or, none of us
would be here,

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and you wouldn't have
a journalism job.

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[S. DaSilva] Obviously, I think

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there are similarities, here.

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Between what you are saying,

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and what
your sister is saying,

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and her husband.

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[S. Markle] Right.

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[S. DaSilva] About how 
they've been treated,

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[S. Markle] Exactly.

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[S. DaSilva] In the media, with

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false reports, online harassment,
and trolling.

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How do you feel --

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do you have compassion
for them, in that way?

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[S. Markle] I do, and I've also
learned, through this,

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that you know, in terms of
aggregate news,

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at one point, 
they were seeing stories,

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probably reacting to
what they thought we said,

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or what they thought
we were doing.

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We were --
it was very reciprocal.

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We were reacting.

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But, the bottom line is,

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there was so much
propaganda out there,

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that none of us really knew
where the truth was.

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And similarly, 
with the bullying.

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You know, the people
that disagree with her

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have bullied her,
to threatening extremes.

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They bullied Kate and William.

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They've bullied me.

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But they have --
the difference is,

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they have the money
and the social, um,

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or the financial resources,
to protect themselves against that.

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A normal person,

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like me and my dad,
you know, our family --

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we don't.

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[S. DaSilva] Mm-hm.

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[S. Markle] We just got
caught in the middle of it.

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But, nonetheless,
we had the right

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to speak our feelings.

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[S. DaSilva] There are people,
I'm sure,

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I will get tweets, facebook posts,
whatever, saying

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you even doing this interview


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is you still trying to get publicity
off your sister.

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Why are you
speaking out today?

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[S. Markle] I am speaking out today
because

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there has been this really, uh,
interesting phenomena, of

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...people have always
demanded their freedom of speech.

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They speak out against 
the President.

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They speak out against,
you know,

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whatever the issue is.

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Or, the celebrity.

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And, nobody says,
"You just want attention."

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They're just out there,

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exercising their
freedom of speech.

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But because of this
royal situation,

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suddenly, it's all about,

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"Oh, you must
want attention."

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Well, I worked in 
broadcasting

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for a long time.

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I am fifty-four.

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I don't need attention.

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It, it, it was a family issue,

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it was heartfelt.

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I was concerned with

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my father dying,
without closure.

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And, and,
in our communities,

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because there was no
invitation to the wedding,

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it became public.

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And the assumption was,

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"Oh, you must not
be worthy,

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since you weren't invited."

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So, it's not like
It was a wedding in Ohio.

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And, we wanted attention:

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"Oh, why didn't 
we get invited."

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It's because 
all of our peers in the world

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were suddenly, you know,

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putting us under
a microscope,

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"Why didn't you get invited?"

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And it was some sort of
character indictment.

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The implication that,

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"Oh, you must not
be worthy."

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And then, 
aggregate news

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started spinning assumptions:

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about the book,
about family members.

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And it got out of control.

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So, um. Do I want attention?

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No.

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What I really wanted
out of all of this,

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was my sister to realize,

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"Hey. I got caught up
in a whirlwind.

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What I did to my dad
was wrong.

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We're all bigger people.

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Let's evolve, 
and do the right thing."

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And it takes 
just as much time

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to do the right thing,

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as it does to ignore it.

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And, um,

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I'd like to see him
be able to communicate with her,

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before he passes away.

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[S. DaSilva] That was going to be
my next question.

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What do you hope
for your relationship with Meghan,

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and your father's
relationship with her?

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For her to reach out?

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[S. Markle] At some point,
when she is ready.

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But, you know, with me.

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But, with my father,

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'at some point' 
may be too late.

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So, you know --

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our repeated efforts
to extend an olive branch...

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I would assume, you know

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when interacting with a, quote,
"humanitarian,"

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would be met with
a very humble, um,

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acceptance, and yeah,

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"Let's look at this.
Let's make this better."

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And, that's all
I was trying to say.

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And, if that's bashing,
wow.

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Then, so, sue me.

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[S. DaSilva] There were
some bashing tweets.

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[S. Markle] But that's, you know --

00:20:04.701 --> 00:20:05.903
'Bashing?' Well...

00:20:05.903 --> 00:20:08.287
I think a lot of the media
labeled it as bashing,

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like, if I did
the thing I said about

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Harry at the birthday,


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"While you're mac-ing down
on your birthday cake,

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don't forget to wish Dad
a Happy Birthday."

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Is that bashing,
or is it witty?

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The problem --

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[S. DaSilva] I think
you called him a wuss.

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[S. Markle] Yeah. Take your
pants back. Be a man.

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Because,

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the whole family 
was being ghosted,

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and I felt like,

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"Hey. You know,

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you're a man, too.
You're letting my father suffer."

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And, there was no real invitation.

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Uh...so, I felt like,

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somebody has to step up,
and do the right thing,

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and say something.

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I worked in broadcasting.

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I'm a counselor.

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I believe in communication.

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And, nobody was saying anything.

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And the problem with tweets, though,

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is that you can't hear
tone of voice.

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So, while I thought 
I was saying something

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maybe cynical, maybe witty,

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people couldn't hear it.

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They were interpreting it
through their own life lenses.

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Maybe they were angry.

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Maybe they've got a 
negative lens

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over everything
in their lives.

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And, then, 
they were reacting to it

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from their own
personal perspectives.

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Which does not
always coincide with

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the sender intent.

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So, I think that's 
something really important

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about social media, too.

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And because
there can be those crossed wires,

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and they can be
emotionally heated,

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twitter and facebook
and Instagram

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have more of
an obligation

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to...not moderate that,

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but, to keep it safe,

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when people's intrepretations
carry it to such heated levels,

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that it crosses over
into criminal activity.

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That, you know, people are --

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[S. DaSilva] People say things
on social media

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they would never say
to someone's face.

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[S. Markle] Right! Because
the avatar, you know, is a shield.

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It's a false source
of empowerment.

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You know, in the animal kingdom,

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they puff their chest,
to look bigger than they are.

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Well, they can do that
on social media.

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Behind an avatar.

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"Ooh, big words,
on an avatar."

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"I've got a flower out there,
or a kitty cat.

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But I'm going to say
big, disgusting, terrifying things,"

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and, you know...

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It's...not good.

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[S. DaSilva] How is 
your dad doing?

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[S. Markle] He's doing okay.

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He's doing better. He's, um...

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feeling, you know...

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I think, more empowered.

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This has been...

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a growth opportunity
for all of us.

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But, I think
more than anything,

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it's really interesting
that the royals,

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Meg and Harry,

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and, you know,
this side of the fence,

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the Markles,

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we are all 
kind of saying the same thing.

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It is that you can have,

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especially with the family,

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if there is an issue out there,
or a social issue,

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you can disagree,

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but you don't take it
to the level of incredible,

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terrorizing, taunting,
intimidation,

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threats.

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That's where we cap it.

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[S. DaSilva] Your father doesn't live
in Polk county as well, does he?

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[S. Markle] Hmm-mm.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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Um...I read some articles...

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I think you had said
that you

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raised Meghan 
until she was twelve,

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pretty much? Or?

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[S. Markle] See, here is where

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I am gonna talk --

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[S. DaSilva] I'm gonna
fact-check that.

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[S. Markle] Here's where
I am gonna

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talk about aggregate news, see.

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[S. DaSilva] Yeah.

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[S. Markle] Even a journalist
like you,

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and a lot of 
other journalists,

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and talk show hostesses,
believe that.

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And I was sitting here, going,

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"Wow. Where did you hear that?"

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[S. DaSilva] Mm-hmm.

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[S. Markle] Because I had said
in one interview,

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"I was integral in her life,
until about twelve."

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I always lived about
ten minutes away,

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she was born
in our household,

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my dad and Doria divorced
when she was about six.

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Still, it was during the week,
weekends, intermingling,

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you know, when 
I wasn't working.

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And life was very normal.

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For families with big sisters,
and you know, younger kids.

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But some journalists
took it upon themselves

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to say:

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"She said she raised her."

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I never said I raised her.

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I said "I was integral in her life,
until about twelve."

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And then, even interacting
all the way up through Northwestern.

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And when she was in Buenos Aires.

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And, even when...

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So, to set the record straight,

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the last time I saw her was 2008.

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The last time I spoke to her
on the phone was 2015, December,

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going on January, 2016.

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The last week of December.

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So, no, it's not like --

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and people said,

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"Oh, she hasn't spoken -- "