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[Samantha Markle] It's not just me.

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It's happening, all around the world,[br]to people.

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And, these people know[br]that they can get away with it,

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if they -- or, they think they can,

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if they go hide under a VPN.

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'Hey, they won't know my ISP,[br]if I do this through a VPN.'

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So, it makes it harder[br]for law enforcement to get them.

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So, one of the things that[br]twitter, and facebook,

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and Instagram, and others[br]can do,

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to help law enforcement,

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and help keep their [br]participants safe:

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biometrics.

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If you get on your computer,[br]to sign in,

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you're using face recognition.

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Or, your fingerprint.

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Or, your -- or your I. D.

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Is that a violation[br]of freedom and privacy?

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Hell, no.

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Because they're not out --[br]they're out there violating others'

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freedom and privacy,[br]to the extent of criminal acts.

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Criminals are not guaranteed anonymity,[br]under any law.

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If they're going to be out there[br]breaking laws,

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and -- and -- committing crime,

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you're --- you're not entitled[br]to privacy and protection under the law,

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of your face, and your I. D., and your --[br]no, you're --

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I think you have an onus,

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as a mature, responsible user[br]of these social interfaces,

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to be transparent.

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You know, yeah -- I'm not out there[br]committing criminal acts, and

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I'm going to prove it, by[br]letting everybody know who I am.

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You know, by being transparent.

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That's just how I feel.

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[Staci DaSilva] So when did you start[br]getting harassed?

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[S. Markle] So, I started getting harassed

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around the time of the [br]royal wedding.

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And, and -- the moment that[br]people knew

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I disagreed with some things[br]about my sister,

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such as, you know,

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not inviting both sides[br]of the family,

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and, um...

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the possibility of my book[br]coming out.

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That was another[br]controversial subject.

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I started getting threats,

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and people would send[br]and tweet

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photographs of me[br]being viewed

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through a high-powered scope,

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behind broken glass,

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with my face in targets.

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You know, if that's not[br]obvious symbolism,

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I don't know what is.

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But, it was all [br]with the intent to

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intimidate,[br]keep me in fear,

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uh, prevent me from[br]releasing my book.

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And you can't do that[br]to people.

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We have freedom of speech.

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And, just because

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someone might not like[br]what I have to say,

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or that I have[br]a book coming out,

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doesn't mean that they can

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engage in criminal activity,

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coercion, threats, intimidation,

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to prevent my exercising[br]my freedom of speech.

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[S. DaSilva] Was this on[br]facebook and twitter?

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[S. Markle] Mmm-hmm.

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And I don't have an[br]Instagram account.

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I started one[br]several years ago,

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and, like I just,

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I think I said "Hello?"

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I never used it,

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but it's got[br]thousands of followers.

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And, it gets daunting.

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Like I can't, I can't[br]go, and get to

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every platform, and say,

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"Hey, shut this down,[br]it's not me,"

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so, there are so many[br]fake accounts out there,

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that are out there saying[br]disparaging things,

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and parody accounts.

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Those are also attempts at[br]this, you know,

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uh, defamation, libel, slander,[br]bullying. Uh --

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[S. DaSilva] How often do you[br]hear from these trolls?

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I mean, on your social media[br]accounts?

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[S. Markle] Um, I shut it down,[br]so I don't see their mentions.

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Because it got to the point

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where they were always[br]mentioning me,

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trying to, you know,

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flag themselves,[br]and get attention,

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and say horrible things,[br]and Photoshop and

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create things to villainize[br]or criminalize me.

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I just thought, you know,[br]"That's not real."

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And, for people out there

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who are bullied in cyberspace,

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you know, I want -- I just --

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especially young people.

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I want to say,

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"You really can't [br]give that legs."

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"You can't give it breath."

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"It's not real, unless

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you allow it to consume you,[br]and you make it real."

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Um, so...

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you know, teenagers, who[br]go through this.

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They don't have the resources

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to leave their high schools,

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or move out of their[br]communities,

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and they are very trapped.

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And it's overwhelming for them.

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And, some of these trolls

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have such a large presence,

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creating bots, and multiple avatars,

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that these teenagers feel like

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they're being attacked[br]by hundreds of people,

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when, really, they're not.

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They're being attacked by a few,

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who make themselves out[br]to be bigger.

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Well, that's what bullies do.

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They puff their chest.

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They want to feel big.

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They want to feel like[br]they've got a lot of power.

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And, for teenagers,

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it's often inescapable, and

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it results in suicidal ideation,[br]and even suicide.

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So, they need strong support systems.

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Their parents, their friends.[br]They need counseling.

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But, more than that,

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they need to remember[br]that these people

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are only real, and powerful,[br]if you let them be.

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It's important to reach out,[br]and communicate,

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and call them on what [br]they are doing,

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before they become[br]a real problem.

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[S. DaSilva] You had to leave[br]your home, correct?

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How many times[br]have you had to move?

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[S. Markle] Twice.

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[S. DaSilva] Twice. And, from [br]Florida, to Virginia?

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[S. Markle] I moved from Florida[br]to Virginia,

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and then, the same thing[br]happened in Virginia.

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They were sharing my address,

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and asking me if [br]it sounded familiar.

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Um, showing pictures of me,[br]behind a scope.

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But, it got worse than that.

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They were sharing, uh, images[br]of me, being seen through

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our security cameras.

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Or, me, outside, with [br]my boyfriend

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helping me[br]get into my vehicle.

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That could've only been[br]either planted in trees, or

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seen through [br]our own devices.

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Which let me know[br]that I was very hacked,

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and I was being watched.

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Um, they shared pictures

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of my boyfriend, looking at himself

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on his own cell phone.

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Which let me know

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that they had hacked[br]our devices.

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And, their apps had[br]camera access.

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And, they were mentioning

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conversations that we had[br]in our living room,

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about money,[br]or other things.

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And they would say,

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"Hey, what about that[br]thousand dollars?"

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So, they were[br]acquiescing

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to not only stalking,

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but hacking.

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For someone like me...

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I'm a counselor,

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I'm pretty intelligent,

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you know, I think [br]I can handle it, and

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analyze it for what it is?

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But, for a teenager...

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who is, you know,

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going through identity crisis,

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and, you know,

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has a self-esteem

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that is not totally [br]evolved, yet?

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It can be terrifying.

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When you know[br]you are being watched,

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and everything that you do

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is being twisted,

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and used against you,[br]to defame you,

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and to threaten.

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So -- yeah, cyber-bullying[br]is horrible,

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and I think that[br]the burden really needs

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to be on social media [br]platforms.

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Twitter, facebook, [br]Instagram. All of them.

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Um, especially the new ones,[br]coming up.

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To have strict [br]identification measures

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in place, for its users,[br]to prevent this.

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[S. DaSilva] So, you moved [br]to Polk county

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about six months ago?

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[S. Markle] Yeah.

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[S. DaSilva] Did you [br]want to say

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what town we are in,[br]right now?

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Or would you want to[br]just keep it at Polk county?

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[S. Markle] Yeah.[br][S. DaSilva] Okay.

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Why did you choose[br]Polk county?

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[S. Markle] It's gorgeous.

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I love the lakes,[br]I love, you know --

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it's, uh -- it's[br]a little more central.

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Where I was --[br]Well, I didn't like fire ants.

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In Ocala, it seemed to be[br]one of those things

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that was just indigenous [br]to the area, so.

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Um, but I really...

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I wanted the happy medium.

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Being close to water,

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as I was in [br]Southern California.

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And here, I have it,[br]without the smog.

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But, I have family here,

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and I love the people here.

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So, I'm staying.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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And, you moved about[br]six months ago.

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And, this summer,

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you filed a complaint[br]with the sheriff's office.

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Why did you do that?

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[S. Markle] Because,

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I was being[br]stalked and harassed.

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Um, my boyfriend[br]got a ticket

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for a tail light[br]on a trailer, being out.

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And, it was supposed[br]to stay confidential.

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But, the address[br]on that ticket

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was somehow released,[br]because

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trolls were able to comb through

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courthouse computer databases.

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The problem with that is,[br]that, you know --

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yeah, some court records[br]are private,

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but it wasn't in the news.

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And, I was having my[br]identity and my location

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protected by a real estate [br]company,

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under the circumstances.

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[S. DaSilva] Can we just [br]take that time code down?

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Because she said the address,

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and we did want to[br]put this interview online?

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So, I don't think we want to[br]put the address online. Correct?

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[S. Markle] Okay. Sorry.

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[Man] About 14:56. [br]Right around there.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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Just so, when we go back,[br]we can take that out, for you.

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[Man] Be careful.

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[S. Markle] I know, I know.

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[S. DaSilva] Um, sorry.[br]14:56 something?

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[Man] Yeah,[br]right around 14:56, yeah.

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[S. DaSilva] Okay.

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[S. Markle] Okay.[br][S. DaSilva] Okay, sorry.

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[S. Markle] So, so.

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They were saying:

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"Hey, does this number[br]or this street match?"

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"Does this sound familiar?"

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And, I, you know --

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in other words, they [br]were taunting me,

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with my address, [br]and my location,

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letting me know

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that they were out there,[br]sharing it.

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They were also sharing, um,[br]screenshot admissions

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of having my[br]Social Security number.

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Then, they said, they said,

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"Oh, but we guessed[br]your Social Security number."

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Well, out of all the billions[br]of possible combinations?

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That couldn't be possible.

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So -- you know,[br]they were telling on themselves.

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And the bottom line, here,[br]is that

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there is very private information[br]that they were actively, all day,

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obsessed about and combing,[br]to get every little detail about me.

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That acquiesces to stalking.

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Because uh, uh, you know,[br]someone who you don't know

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doesn't have a right [br]to be looking,

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to see if there is[br]anything about you in court,

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to see what's going on[br]with your medical records.

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To share your address.

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To be direct messaging people [br]and asking questions about you.

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Unless they are a reporter,[br]or they have some valid reason,

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for...getting every piece of information[br]they can, about you,

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and taunting you with it.

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Like: "Hey, what about this?[br]And what about that?"

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Well, who are you,

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to ask me "What about this[br]and what about that?"

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And, to try and spin it,

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to villainize or criminalize me?

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So, for -- I can see how,[br]for teenagers,

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that's overwhelming.

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[S. DaSilva] Mm-hm. Yeah.[br]You talked about the teenagers.

0:09:49.907,0:09:53.545
But, has the sheriff's office[br]been open to your complaint,

0:09:53.545,0:09:55.776
and been taking it seriously?

0:09:55.776,0:09:58.585
[S. Markle] Yeah, since we started[br]this whole thing.

0:09:58.585,0:10:00.544
You know, I showed them[br]everything,

0:10:00.544,0:10:02.513
and let them know[br]what was going on.

0:10:02.513,0:10:04.557
And, you know, I --[br]I'm really lucky,

0:10:04.557,0:10:07.050
to live in a state[br]that takes that seriously.

0:10:07.050,0:10:10.048
You know, the cyber-stalking[br]and "stand your ground" laws.

0:10:10.048,0:10:11.509
I feel really safe.

0:10:11.509,0:10:12.953
And it's nice to know

0:10:12.953,0:10:15.105
that law enforcement [br]is proactive about that.

0:10:15.105,0:10:17.945
You know, you can't[br]do that to a person.

0:10:17.945,0:10:20.410
You can't taunt them,[br]put them in fear,

0:10:20.410,0:10:22.438
um, intimidate them --

0:10:22.438,0:10:23.942
harass them --

0:10:23.942,0:10:26.118
and encourage others,[br]on a wide scale,

0:10:26.118,0:10:28.601
to engage in[br]targeted harassment.

0:10:28.601,0:10:31.890
It's -- nobody, nobody[br]deserves to live like that.

0:10:31.890,0:10:34.544
And, certainly not[br]for expressing freedom of speech.

0:10:34.544,0:10:36.488
Because, you're a journalist.

0:10:36.488,0:10:39.891
If you did a report, and somebody[br]didn't like something you had to say,

0:10:39.891,0:10:43.749
You know...it's really psychotic,[br]that anybody would

0:10:43.749,0:10:47.184
go to that extreme, [br]to suppress what you have to say,

0:10:47.184,0:10:51.644
and to make every corner of your life[br]public information,

0:10:51.644,0:10:53.909
twisting it in a negative way.

0:10:53.909,0:10:56.466
To put you in fear, or shame.

0:10:56.466,0:11:00.502
[S. DaSilva] And, your reaction to[br]the news spreading across the world

0:11:00.502,0:11:04.069
that you were the target[br]of the investigation for

0:11:04.069,0:11:06.295
things you have said[br]about your sister,

0:11:06.295,0:11:08.190
vs. what actually is happening.

0:11:08.190,0:11:11.051
[S. Markle] Well -- and I think[br]that's really important too,

0:11:11.051,0:11:13.282
because there is a problem[br]with aggregate news.

0:11:13.282,0:11:15.902
I understand that journalists[br]and bloggers get so busy,

0:11:15.902,0:11:17.940
and a lot of them, you know --

0:11:17.940,0:11:20.973
there is often, on one side[br]of, you know, the coin,

0:11:20.973,0:11:23.413
there is paid P. R. [br]that spins things.

0:11:23.413,0:11:27.912
But there is also[br]aggregate news error, that happens.

0:11:27.912,0:11:30.111
When they see fragments[br]of information,

0:11:30.111,0:11:32.771
they don't have a lot[br]of time to pop the stories out,

0:11:32.771,0:11:34.912
and they just copy them verbatim.

0:11:34.912,0:11:37.790
Maybe, with extra words,[br]and spin it a little bit more.

0:11:37.790,0:11:41.295
And suddenly,[br]the victim becomes the suspect.

0:11:41.295,0:11:43.509
Because someone didn't understand

0:11:43.509,0:11:46.307
what "being at the center [br]of investigation" means.

0:11:46.307,0:11:48.743
Well, it doesn't mean[br]I'm the suspect.

0:11:48.743,0:11:51.351
And, they didn't ask.[br]They didn't bother to ask.

0:11:51.351,0:11:53.274
They just assumed,[br]and put it in print,

0:11:53.274,0:11:55.418
that I was the suspect,[br]not the victim.

0:11:55.418,0:11:57.107
Shouldn't happen.

0:11:57.107,0:12:00.469
[S. DaSilva] So there, as you --[br]Are you afraid for your life?

0:12:00.469,0:12:02.091
Here in Polk county?

0:12:02.091,0:12:04.111
[S. Markle] Well, yeah, I have been.

0:12:04.111,0:12:06.610
And, and, you know,[br]if you can imagine

0:12:06.610,0:12:08.949
seeing your face[br]on a bulls-eye

0:12:08.949,0:12:11.212
behind broken glass,[br]or on a dartboard.

0:12:11.212,0:12:15.116
And, pictures of someone[br]like Matt Damon,

0:12:15.116,0:12:17.178
looking through a[br]high-powered scope,

0:12:17.178,0:12:19.081
a clip from a film, [br]or a GIF.

0:12:19.081,0:12:21.817
And, "You can run[br]but you can't hide, Samantha."

0:12:21.817,0:12:24.844
Those things are symbolic,[br]and they are put out there

0:12:24.844,0:12:27.790
with the intent[br]of putting you in fear.

0:12:27.790,0:12:28.995
Intimidating you,

0:12:28.995,0:12:31.038
preventing you from[br]publishing a book,

0:12:31.038,0:12:33.392
um -- which happened, too.[br]You know...

0:12:33.392,0:12:35.543
"We're gonna,[br]if you put your book out,

0:12:35.543,0:12:37.808
we're gonna download it,[br]and share it for free,

0:12:37.808,0:12:39.379
so nobody buys it."

0:12:39.379,0:12:42.091
Those are -- those are [br]intimidation, uh, tactics,

0:12:42.091,0:12:43.741
that are against the law.

0:12:43.741,0:12:45.230
On many levels.

0:12:45.230,0:12:47.011
And so, yeah,[br]it was scary for me.

0:12:47.011,0:12:48.495
I am in a wheelchair.

0:12:48.495,0:12:50.011
I don't need to feel like,[br]

0:12:50.011,0:12:52.748
I am a slow moving target,[br]going out of my own home.

0:12:52.748,0:12:55.346
Nobody has a right[br]to do that to me, and

0:12:55.346,0:12:57.862
they are subject[br]to legal sanction.

0:12:59.412,0:13:03.478
It's just -- that's not how[br]a legal, you know,

0:13:03.478,0:13:06.752
high functioning society[br]operates.

0:13:06.752,0:13:09.754
And, those criminals need[br]to be made examples of.

0:13:09.754,0:13:13.712
They need to experience[br]specific deterrents, under the law.

0:13:13.712,0:13:17.237
And, they need to be[br]made out to be, you know,

0:13:17.237,0:13:19.070
examples of general deterrents.

0:13:19.070,0:13:21.279
So other would-be [br]cyber-bullies know,

0:13:21.279,0:13:24.455
"Hey, don't do the crime,[br]if you can't do the time,"

0:13:24.455,0:13:26.300
and most local[br]law enforcement,

0:13:26.300,0:13:28.667
local and federal[br]law enforcement agencies,

0:13:28.667,0:13:31.389
will come get ya.

0:13:31.389,0:13:33.090
You know, VPN or not,

0:13:33.090,0:13:35.745
there are ways to[br]find these offenders.

0:13:35.745,0:13:37.989
[S. DaSilva] What do you say[br]to critics who say,

0:13:37.989,0:13:41.509
"You spoke out. You know,[br]you were vocal, you wrote a book."

0:13:41.509,0:13:42.765
[S. Markle] Well --

0:13:42.765,0:13:44.251
[S. DaSilva] "You tweeted..."

0:13:44.251,0:13:46.894
[S. Markle] But, writing a book[br]and speaking out...

0:13:46.894,0:13:49.144
you know, my father[br]had two heart attacks.

0:13:49.144,0:13:51.966
I didn't agree with[br]my sister's treatment of the family.

0:13:51.966,0:13:56.576
That does not give[br]some of these unhinged people

0:13:56.576,0:13:58.783
license, or the right

0:13:58.783,0:14:03.311
to engage in criminal activity[br]against me.

0:14:03.311,0:14:05.696
Stalk, harass, incite violence[br]against me.

0:14:05.696,0:14:07.691
It's like, any of us[br]who have fought

0:14:07.691,0:14:09.290
for freedom of speech,[br]

0:14:09.290,0:14:12.104
whether the issue[br]is gender, race, political issues,

0:14:12.104,0:14:14.417
just because you say something

0:14:14.417,0:14:16.904
doesn't give people who disagree [br]with you,

0:14:16.904,0:14:19.945
the right to put you in fear[br]and suppress your opinion,

0:14:19.945,0:14:22.400
by threatening you[br]when you do.

0:14:22.400,0:14:24.622
And that, you know --

0:14:24.622,0:14:27.814
I think that's what[br]we really need to make a precedent.

0:14:27.814,0:14:30.024
We're not tolerating this[br]any more.

0:14:30.024,0:14:32.834
We all have to 'agree to disagree'[br]under the law,

0:14:32.834,0:14:35.390
because if you take it[br]beyond those legal boundaries,

0:14:35.390,0:14:38.247
and you engage in[br]criminal activity, intent,

0:14:38.247,0:14:42.240
you know, um --[br]intimidation, and harassment,

0:14:42.240,0:14:46.174
um, with the intent[br]to put someone in fear,

0:14:46.174,0:14:47.792
if they speak?

0:14:47.792,0:14:50.051
It's against the law.

0:14:50.051,0:14:52.278
[S. DaSilva] Do you have any regrets

0:14:52.278,0:14:55.227
for anything that has happened,[br]since, you said,

0:14:55.227,0:14:56.817
around the royal wedding?

0:14:56.817,0:14:58.500
[S. Markle] Um...

0:14:58.500,0:15:00.663
the only regret...

0:15:00.663,0:15:02.525
no, I don't have regrets.

0:15:02.525,0:15:04.290
Because I was being honest.

0:15:04.290,0:15:05.802
And I've always said,

0:15:05.802,0:15:08.299
"You shouldn't regret[br]telling the truth."

0:15:08.299,0:15:10.463
And, when you tell the truth,[br]you know --

0:15:10.463,0:15:13.024
yeah, I don't think[br]the whistle blower is the problem.

0:15:13.024,0:15:15.030
But, if you do it[br]from a heartfelt place,

0:15:15.030,0:15:16.616
and it's about family,

0:15:16.616,0:15:18.991
and it's about[br]something you care about,

0:15:18.991,0:15:20.952
when you tell the truth,

0:15:20.952,0:15:22.491
the person on the[br]receiving end,

0:15:22.491,0:15:24.495
or who you are[br]telling the truth about,

0:15:24.495,0:15:26.288
has the opportunity,

0:15:26.288,0:15:28.274
but, I believe also,[br]responsibility,

0:15:28.274,0:15:29.000
to say,

0:15:29.000,0:15:30.960
"Hey. Let me hear what[br]you have to say.

0:15:30.960,0:15:32.264
Let's communicate.

0:15:32.264,0:15:34.004
Let's have a meeting[br]of the minds,

0:15:34.004,0:15:35.481
and make things better.

0:15:35.481,0:15:37.048
Let's do what's right, here."

0:15:37.048,0:15:39.109
And, the only way[br]the right thing can happen

0:15:39.109,0:15:40.901
is if people[br]talk about it.

0:15:40.901,0:15:42.535
Silence, as[br]the status quo,

0:15:42.535,0:15:44.250
accomplishes nothing.

0:15:44.250,0:15:45.782
So, you know,

0:15:45.782,0:15:48.262
where people were afraid[br]to speak,

0:15:48.262,0:15:52.510
because of this high prestige[br]issue, um...

0:15:53.750,0:15:55.313
it's wrong.

0:15:55.313,0:15:57.603
Because there's a real[br]family issue there.

0:15:57.603,0:15:59.174
The public got involved.

0:15:59.174,0:16:01.384
They took it too far,[br]without saying,

0:16:01.384,0:16:02.906
"Hey, they are family.

0:16:02.906,0:16:04.865
They can speak out[br]if they want to.

0:16:04.865,0:16:06.590
It's not really[br]our business."

0:16:06.590,0:16:08.445
But, they had their[br]own agendas.

0:16:08.445,0:16:10.561
So, you can't suppress[br]freedom of speech.

0:16:10.561,0:16:12.227
Or, none of us[br]would be here,

0:16:12.227,0:16:14.216
and you wouldn't have[br]a journalism job.

0:16:14.216,0:16:15.785
[S. DaSilva] Obviously, I think

0:16:15.785,0:16:17.522
there are similarities, here.

0:16:17.522,0:16:18.882
Between what you are saying,

0:16:18.882,0:16:20.353
and what[br]your sister is saying,

0:16:20.353,0:16:21.260
and her husband.

0:16:21.260,0:16:22.220
[S. Markle] Right.

0:16:22.220,0:16:24.321
[S. DaSilva] About how [br]they've been treated,

0:16:24.321,0:16:25.342
[S. Markle] Exactly.

0:16:25.342,0:16:26.873
[S. DaSilva] In the media, with

0:16:26.873,0:16:29.146
false reports, online harassment,[br]and trolling.

0:16:29.146,0:16:30.314
How do you feel --

0:16:30.314,0:16:32.540
do you have compassion[br]for them, in that way?

0:16:32.540,0:16:35.150
[S. Markle] I do, and I've also[br]learned, through this,

0:16:35.150,0:16:37.402
that you know, in terms of[br]aggregate news,

0:16:37.402,0:16:39.366
at one point, [br]they were seeing stories,

0:16:39.366,0:16:41.561
probably reacting to[br]what they thought we said,

0:16:41.561,0:16:43.245
or what they thought[br]we were doing.

0:16:43.245,0:16:45.003
We were --[br]it was very reciprocal.

0:16:45.003,0:16:46.086
We were reacting.

0:16:46.086,0:16:47.549
But, the bottom line is,

0:16:47.549,0:16:49.646
there was so much[br]propaganda out there,

0:16:49.646,0:16:52.245
that none of us really knew[br]where the truth was.

0:16:52.245,0:16:54.914
And similarly, [br]with the bullying.

0:16:54.914,0:16:57.578
You know, the people[br]that disagree with her

0:16:57.578,0:16:59.843
have bullied her,[br]to threatening extremes.

0:16:59.843,0:17:01.851
They bullied Kate and William.

0:17:01.851,0:17:03.598
They've bullied me.

0:17:03.598,0:17:05.581
But they have --[br]the difference is,

0:17:05.581,0:17:08.312
they have the money[br]and the social, um,

0:17:08.312,0:17:12.742
or the financial resources,[br]to protect themselves against that.

0:17:12.742,0:17:14.076
A normal person,

0:17:14.076,0:17:17.003
like me and my dad,[br]you know, our family --

0:17:17.003,0:17:17.944
we don't.

0:17:17.944,0:17:19.224
[S. DaSilva] Mm-hm.

0:17:19.224,0:17:21.736
[S. Markle] We just got[br]caught in the middle of it.

0:17:21.736,0:17:23.885
But, nonetheless,[br]we had the right

0:17:23.885,0:17:25.475
to speak our feelings.

0:17:25.475,0:17:27.511
[S. DaSilva] There are people,[br]I'm sure,

0:17:27.511,0:17:30.030
I will get tweets, facebook posts,[br]whatever, saying

0:17:30.030,0:17:31.906
you even doing this interview[br]

0:17:31.906,0:17:34.494
is you still trying to get publicity[br]off your sister.

0:17:34.494,0:17:36.738
Why are you[br]speaking out today?

0:17:36.738,0:17:39.071
[S. Markle] I am speaking out today[br]because

0:17:39.071,0:17:42.399
there has been this really, uh,[br]interesting phenomena, of

0:17:42.399,0:17:45.750
...people have always[br]demanded their freedom of speech.

0:17:45.750,0:17:47.784
They speak out against [br]the President.

0:17:47.784,0:17:49.746
They speak out against,[br]you know,

0:17:49.746,0:17:51.233
whatever the issue is.

0:17:51.233,0:17:52.568
Or, the celebrity.

0:17:52.568,0:17:54.725
And, nobody says,[br]"You just want attention."

0:17:54.725,0:17:56.245
They're just out there,

0:17:56.245,0:17:57.951
exercising their[br]freedom of speech.

0:17:57.951,0:17:59.733
But because of this[br]royal situation,

0:17:59.733,0:18:01.471
suddenly, it's all about,

0:18:01.471,0:18:02.987
"Oh, you must[br]want attention."

0:18:02.987,0:18:04.412
Well, I worked in [br]broadcasting

0:18:04.412,0:18:05.505
for a long time.

0:18:05.505,0:18:06.508
I am fifty-four.

0:18:06.508,0:18:07.835
I don't need attention.

0:18:07.835,0:18:09.481
It, it, it was a family issue,

0:18:09.481,0:18:10.710
it was heartfelt.

0:18:10.710,0:18:12.011
I was concerned with

0:18:12.011,0:18:13.892
my father dying,[br]without closure.

0:18:13.892,0:18:15.655
And, and,[br]in our communities,

0:18:15.655,0:18:18.134
because there was no[br]invitation to the wedding,

0:18:18.134,0:18:19.641
it became public.

0:18:19.641,0:18:21.019
And the assumption was,

0:18:21.019,0:18:22.751
"Oh, you must not[br]be worthy,

0:18:22.751,0:18:24.298
since you weren't invited."

0:18:24.298,0:18:26.643
So, it's not like[br]It was a wedding in Ohio.

0:18:26.643,0:18:28.848
And, we wanted attention:

0:18:28.848,0:18:30.704
"Oh, why didn't [br]we get invited."

0:18:30.704,0:18:33.080
It's because [br]all of our peers in the world

0:18:33.080,0:18:34.843
were suddenly, you know,

0:18:34.843,0:18:36.393
putting us under[br]a microscope,

0:18:36.393,0:18:37.990
"Why didn't you get invited?"

0:18:37.990,0:18:40.262
And it was some sort of[br]character indictment.

0:18:40.262,0:18:41.610
The implication that,

0:18:41.610,0:18:43.046
"Oh, you must not[br]be worthy."

0:18:43.046,0:18:44.517
And then, [br]aggregate news

0:18:44.517,0:18:46.243
started spinning assumptions:

0:18:46.243,0:18:48.613
about the book,[br]about family members.

0:18:48.613,0:18:50.882
And it got out of control.

0:18:50.882,0:18:53.234
So, um. Do I want attention?

0:18:53.234,0:18:54.275
No.

0:18:54.275,0:18:56.551
What I really wanted[br]out of all of this,

0:18:56.551,0:18:58.620
was my sister to realize,

0:18:58.620,0:19:00.682
"Hey. I got caught up[br]in a whirlwind.

0:19:00.682,0:19:02.847
What I did to my dad[br]was wrong.

0:19:02.847,0:19:04.744
We're all bigger people.

0:19:04.744,0:19:06.761
Let's evolve, [br]and do the right thing."

0:19:06.761,0:19:08.416
And it takes [br]just as much time

0:19:08.416,0:19:09.838
to do the right thing,

0:19:09.838,0:19:11.338
as it does to ignore it.

0:19:11.338,0:19:12.511
And, um,

0:19:12.511,0:19:15.125
I'd like to see him[br]be able to communicate with her,

0:19:15.135,0:19:16.493
before he passes away.

0:19:16.493,0:19:18.920
[S. DaSilva] That was going to be[br]my next question.

0:19:18.920,0:19:21.470
What do you hope[br]for your relationship with Meghan,

0:19:21.470,0:19:23.554
and your father's[br]relationship with her?

0:19:23.554,0:19:24.812
For her to reach out?

0:19:24.812,0:19:27.143
[S. Markle] At some point,[br]when she is ready.

0:19:27.143,0:19:28.635
But, you know, with me.

0:19:28.635,0:19:30.117
But, with my father,

0:19:30.117,0:19:32.516
'at some point' [br]may be too late.

0:19:32.516,0:19:34.285
So, you know --

0:19:34.285,0:19:37.707
our repeated efforts[br]to extend an olive branch...

0:19:37.707,0:19:41.794
I would assume, you know

0:19:41.794,0:19:44.447
when interacting with a, quote,[br]"humanitarian,"

0:19:44.447,0:19:48.914
would be met with[br]a very humble, um,

0:19:48.914,0:19:50.792
acceptance, and yeah,

0:19:50.792,0:19:53.518
"Let's look at this.[br]Let's make this better."

0:19:53.518,0:19:56.096
And, that's all[br]I was trying to say.

0:19:56.096,0:19:58.318
And, if that's bashing,[br]wow.

0:19:58.318,0:20:00.486
Then, so, sue me.

0:20:00.486,0:20:02.773
[S. DaSilva] There were[br]some bashing tweets.

0:20:02.773,0:20:04.701
[S. Markle] But that's, you know --

0:20:04.701,0:20:05.903
'Bashing?' Well...

0:20:05.903,0:20:08.287
I think a lot of the media[br]labeled it as bashing,

0:20:08.287,0:20:10.279
like, if I did[br]the thing I said about

0:20:10.279,0:20:11.801
Harry at the birthday,[br]

0:20:11.801,0:20:14.095
"While you're mac-ing down[br]on your birthday cake,

0:20:14.095,0:20:16.143
don't forget to wish Dad[br]a Happy Birthday."

0:20:16.143,0:20:17.742
Is that bashing,[br]or is it witty?

0:20:17.742,0:20:18.733
The problem --

0:20:18.733,0:20:20.781
[S. DaSilva] I think[br]you called him a wuss.

0:20:20.781,0:20:23.199
[S. Markle] Yeah. Take your[br]pants back. Be a man.

0:20:23.199,0:20:24.027
Because,

0:20:24.027,0:20:25.759
the whole family [br]was being ghosted,

0:20:25.759,0:20:26.834
and I felt like,

0:20:26.834,0:20:28.124
"Hey. You know,

0:20:28.124,0:20:31.523
you're a man, too.[br]You're letting my father suffer."

0:20:31.523,0:20:34.517
And, there was no real invitation.

0:20:34.517,0:20:37.534
Uh...so, I felt like,

0:20:37.534,0:20:40.078
somebody has to step up,[br]and do the right thing,

0:20:40.078,0:20:41.416
and say something.

0:20:41.416,0:20:42.999
I worked in broadcasting.

0:20:42.999,0:20:44.115
I'm a counselor.

0:20:44.115,0:20:45.803
I believe in communication.

0:20:45.803,0:20:47.762
And, nobody was saying anything.

0:20:47.762,0:20:49.556
And the problem with tweets, though,

0:20:49.556,0:20:51.326
is that you can't hear[br]tone of voice.

0:20:51.326,0:20:53.366
So, while I thought [br]I was saying something

0:20:53.366,0:20:55.675
maybe cynical, maybe witty,

0:20:55.675,0:20:57.191
people couldn't hear it.

0:20:57.191,0:20:59.893
They were interpreting it[br]through their own life lenses.

0:20:59.893,0:21:01.190
Maybe they were angry.

0:21:01.190,0:21:02.939
Maybe they've got a [br]negative lens

0:21:02.939,0:21:04.599
over everything[br]in their lives.

0:21:04.599,0:21:06.338
And, then, [br]they were reacting to it

0:21:06.338,0:21:08.645
from their own[br]personal perspectives.

0:21:08.645,0:21:11.600
Which does not[br]always coincide with

0:21:11.600,0:21:13.671
the sender intent.

0:21:13.671,0:21:16.302
So, I think that's [br]something really important

0:21:16.302,0:21:17.846
about social media, too.

0:21:17.846,0:21:20.277
And because[br]there can be those crossed wires,

0:21:20.277,0:21:22.748
and they can be[br]emotionally heated,

0:21:22.748,0:21:25.294
twitter and facebook[br]and Instagram

0:21:25.294,0:21:27.493
have more of[br]an obligation

0:21:27.493,0:21:30.496
to...not moderate that,

0:21:30.496,0:21:32.247
but, to keep it safe,

0:21:32.247,0:21:36.471
when people's intrepretations[br]carry it to such heated levels,

0:21:36.471,0:21:38.751
that it crosses over[br]into criminal activity.

0:21:38.751,0:21:40.749
That, you know, people are --

0:21:40.749,0:21:42.920
[S. DaSilva] People say things[br]on social media

0:21:42.920,0:21:44.752
they would never say[br]to someone's face.

0:21:44.752,0:21:47.678
[S. Markle] Right! Because[br]the avatar, you know, is a shield.

0:21:47.678,0:21:49.390
It's a false source[br]of empowerment.

0:21:49.390,0:21:50.959
You know, in the animal kingdom,

0:21:50.959,0:21:53.507
they puff their chest,[br]to look bigger than they are.

0:21:53.507,0:21:55.718
Well, they can do that[br]on social media.

0:21:55.718,0:21:56.910
Behind an avatar.

0:21:56.910,0:21:58.911
"Ooh, big words,[br]on an avatar."

0:21:58.911,0:22:01.217
"I've got a flower out there,[br]or a kitty cat.

0:22:01.217,0:22:04.344
But I'm going to say[br]big, disgusting, terrifying things,"

0:22:04.344,0:22:05.608
and, you know...

0:22:05.608,0:22:08.017
It's...not good.

0:22:08.017,0:22:10.042
[S. DaSilva] How is [br]your dad doing?

0:22:10.042,0:22:11.734
[S. Markle] He's doing okay.

0:22:11.734,0:22:13.668
He's doing better. He's, um...

0:22:13.668,0:22:15.192
feeling, you know...

0:22:15.192,0:22:16.747
I think, more empowered.

0:22:16.747,0:22:17.885
This has been...

0:22:17.885,0:22:19.902
a growth opportunity[br]for all of us.

0:22:19.902,0:22:21.941
But, I think[br]more than anything,

0:22:21.941,0:22:25.273
it's really interesting[br]that the royals,

0:22:25.273,0:22:26.649
Meg and Harry,

0:22:26.649,0:22:29.291
and, you know,[br]this side of the fence,

0:22:29.291,0:22:30.488
the Markles,

0:22:30.488,0:22:32.809
we are all [br]kind of saying the same thing.

0:22:32.809,0:22:34.447
It is that you can have,

0:22:34.447,0:22:36.607
especially with the family,

0:22:36.607,0:22:39.420
if there is an issue out there,[br]or a social issue,

0:22:39.420,0:22:41.110
you can disagree,

0:22:41.110,0:22:46.250
but you don't take it[br]to the level of incredible,

0:22:46.250,0:22:49.740
terrorizing, taunting,[br]intimidation,

0:22:49.740,0:22:51.215
threats.

0:22:51.215,0:22:53.249
That's where we cap it.

0:22:53.249,0:22:56.553
[S. DaSilva] Your father doesn't live[br]in Polk county as well, does he?

0:22:56.553,0:22:57.530
[S. Markle] Hmm-mm.

0:22:57.530,0:22:58.494
[S. DaSilva] Okay.

0:22:58.494,0:23:00.020
Um...I read some articles...

0:23:00.020,0:23:01.430
I think you had said[br]that you

0:23:01.430,0:23:03.200
raised Meghan [br]until she was twelve,

0:23:03.200,0:23:04.063
pretty much? Or?

0:23:04.063,0:23:05.558
[S. Markle] See, here is where

0:23:05.558,0:23:06.432
I am gonna talk --

0:23:06.432,0:23:08.270
[S. DaSilva] I'm gonna[br]fact-check that.

0:23:08.270,0:23:09.927
[S. Markle] Here's where[br]I am gonna

0:23:09.927,0:23:11.586
talk about aggregate news, see.

0:23:11.586,0:23:12.564
[S. DaSilva] Yeah.

0:23:12.564,0:23:14.450
[S. Markle] Even a journalist[br]like you,

0:23:14.450,0:23:16.103
and a lot of [br]other journalists,

0:23:16.103,0:23:17.923
and talk show hostesses,[br]believe that.

0:23:17.923,0:23:19.657
And I was sitting here, going,

0:23:19.657,0:23:21.537
"Wow. Where did you hear that?"

0:23:21.537,0:23:22.659
[S. DaSilva] Mm-hmm.

0:23:22.659,0:23:25.014
[S. Markle] Because I had said[br]in one interview,

0:23:25.014,0:23:27.334
"I was integral in her life,[br]until about twelve."

0:23:27.334,0:23:29.174
I always lived about[br]ten minutes away,

0:23:29.174,0:23:30.663
she was born[br]in our household,

0:23:30.663,0:23:33.023
my dad and Doria divorced[br]when she was about six.

0:23:33.023,0:23:35.798
Still, it was during the week,[br]weekends, intermingling,

0:23:35.798,0:23:37.390
you know, when [br]I wasn't working.

0:23:37.390,0:23:38.629
And life was very normal.

0:23:38.629,0:23:41.566
For families with big sisters,[br]and you know, younger kids.

0:23:41.566,0:23:43.700
But some journalists[br]took it upon themselves

0:23:43.700,0:23:44.563
to say:

0:23:44.563,0:23:46.281
"She said she raised her."

0:23:46.281,0:23:48.250
I never said I raised her.

0:23:48.250,0:23:51.090
I said "I was integral in her life,[br]until about twelve."

0:23:51.090,0:23:54.547
And then, even interacting[br]all the way up through Northwestern.

0:23:54.547,0:23:56.571
And when she was in Buenos Aires.

0:23:56.571,0:23:57.905
And, even when...

0:23:57.905,0:23:59.800
So, to set the record straight,

0:23:59.800,0:24:02.515
the last time I saw her was 2008.

0:24:02.515,0:24:06.204
The last time I spoke to her[br]on the phone was 2015, December,

0:24:06.204,0:24:08.031
going on January, 2016.

0:24:08.031,0:24:09.800
The last week of December.

0:24:09.800,0:24:11.468
So, no, it's not like --

0:24:11.468,0:24:12.661
and people said,

0:24:12.661,0:24:14.000
"Oh, she hasn't spoken -- "