[Samantha Markle] It's not just me.
It's happening, all around the world, to people.
And, these people know that they can get away with it,
if they -- or, they think they can,
if they go hide under a VPN.
'Hey, they won't know my ISP, if I do this through a VPN.'
So, it makes it harder for law enforcement to get them.
So, one of the things that twitter, and facebook,
and Instagram, and others can do,
to help law enforcement,
and help keep their participants safe:
biometrics.
If you get on your computer, to sign in,
you're using face recognition.
Or, your fingerprint.
Or, your -- or your I. D.
Is that a violation of freedom and privacy?
Hell, no.
Because they're not out -- they're out there violating others'
freedom and privacy, to the extent of criminal acts.
Criminals are not guaranteed anonymity, under any law.
If they're going to be out there breaking laws,
and -- and -- committing crime,
you're --- you're not entitled to privacy and protection under the law,
of your face, and your I. D., and your -- no, you're --
I think you have an onus,
as a mature, responsible user of these social interfaces,
to be transparent.
You know, yeah -- I'm not out there committing criminal acts, and
I'm going to prove it, by letting everybody know who I am.
You know, by being transparent.
That's just how I feel.
[Staci DaSilva] So when did you start getting harassed?
[S. Markle] So, I started getting harassed
around the time of the royal wedding.
And, and -- the moment that people knew
I disagreed with some things about my sister,
such as, you know,
not inviting both sides of the family,
and, um...
the possibility of my book coming out.
That was another controversial subject.
I started getting threats,
and people would send and tweet
photographs of me being viewed
through a high-powered scope,
behind broken glass,
with my face in targets.
You know, if that's not obvious symbolism,
I don't know what is.
But, it was all with the intent to
intimidate, keep me in fear,
uh, prevent me from releasing my book.
And you can't do that to people.
We have freedom of speech.
And, just because
someone might not like what I have to say,
or that I have a book coming out,
doesn't mean that they can
engage in criminal activity,
coercion, threats, intimidation,
to prevent my exercising my freedom of speech.
[S. DaSilva] Was this on facebook and twitter?
[S. Markle] Mmm-hmm.
And I don't have an Instagram account.
I started one several years ago,
and, like I just,
I think I said "Hello?"
I never used it,
but it's got thousands of followers.
And, it gets daunting.
Like I can't, I can't go, and get to
every platform, and say,
"Hey, shut this down, it's not me,"
so, there are so many fake accounts out there,
that are out there saying disparaging things,
and parody accounts.
Those are also attempts at this, you know,
uh, defamation, libel, slander, bullying. Uh --
[S. DaSilva] How often do you hear from these trolls?
I mean, on your social media accounts?
[S. Markle] Um, I shut it down, so I don't see their mentions.
Because it got to the point
where they were always mentioning me,
trying to, you know,
flag themselves, and get attention,
and say horrible things, and Photoshop and
create things to villainize or criminalize me.
I just thought, you know, "That's not real."
And, for people out there
who are bullied in cyberspace,
you know, I want -- I just --
especially young people.
I want to say,
"You really can't give that legs."
"You can't give it breath."
"It's not real, unless
you allow it to consume you, and you make it real."
Um, so...
you know, teenagers, who go through this.
They don't have the resources
to leave their high schools,
or move out of their communities,
and they are very trapped.
And it's overwhelming for them.
And, some of these trolls
have such a large presence,
creating bots, and multiple avatars,
that these teenagers feel like
they're being attacked by hundreds of people,
when, really, they're not.
They're being attacked by a few,
who make themselves out to be bigger.
Well, that's what bullies do.
They puff their chest.
They want to feel big.
They want to feel like they've got a lot of power.
And, for teenagers,
it's often inescapable, and
it results in suicidal ideation, and even suicide.
So, they need strong support systems.
Their parents, their friends. They need counseling.
But, more than that,
they need to remember that these people
are only real, and powerful, if you let them be.
It's important to reach out, and communicate,
and call them on what they are doing,
before they become a real problem.
[S. DaSilva] You had to leave your home, correct?
How many times have you had to move?
[S. Markle] Twice.
[S. DaSilva] Twice. And, from Florida, to Virginia?
[S. Markle] I moved from Florida to Virginia,
and then, the same thing happened in Virginia.
They were sharing my address,
and asking me if it sounded familiar.
Um, showing pictures of me, behind a scope.
But, it got worse than that.
They were sharing, uh, images of me, being seen through
our security cameras.
Or, me, outside, with my boyfriend
helping me get into my vehicle.
That could've only been either planted in trees, or
seen through our own devices.
Which let me know that I was very hacked,
and I was being watched.
Um, they shared pictures
of my boyfriend, looking at himself
on his own cell phone.
Which let me know
that they had hacked our devices.
And, their apps had camera access.
And, they were mentioning
conversations that we had in our living room,
about money, or other things.
And they would say,
"Hey, what about that thousand dollars?"
So, they were acquiescing
to not only stalking,
but hacking.
For someone like me...
I'm a counselor,
I'm pretty intelligent,
you know, I think I can handle it, and
analyze it for what it is?
But, for a teenager...
who is, you know,
going through identity crisis,
and, you know,
has a self-esteem
that is not totally evolved, yet?
It can be terrifying.
When you know you are being watched,
and everything that you do
is being twisted,
and used against you, to defame you,
and to threaten.
So -- yeah, cyber-bullying is horrible,
and I think that the burden really needs
to be on social media platforms.
Twitter, facebook, Instagram. All of them.
Um, especially the new ones, coming up.
To have strict identification measures
in place, for its users, to prevent this.
[S. DaSilva] So, you moved to Polk county
about six months ago?
[S. Markle] Yeah.
[S. DaSilva] Did you want to say
what town we are in, right now?
Or would you want to just keep it at Polk county?
[S. Markle] Yeah. [S. DaSilva] Okay.
Why did you choose Polk county?
[S. Markle] It's gorgeous.
I love the lakes, I love, you know --
it's, uh -- it's a little more central.
Where I was -- Well, I didn't like fire ants.
In Ocala, it seemed to be one of those things
that was just indigenous to the area, so.
Um, but I really...
I wanted the happy medium.
Being close to water,
as I was in Southern California.
And here, I have it, without the smog.
But, I have family here,
and I love the people here.
So, I'm staying.
[S. DaSilva] Okay.
And, you moved about six months ago.
And, this summer,
you filed a complaint with the sheriff's office.
Why did you do that?
[S. Markle] Because,
I was being stalked and harassed.
Um, my boyfriend got a ticket
for a tail light on a trailer, being out.
And, it was supposed to stay confidential.
But, the address on that ticket
was somehow released, because
trolls were able to comb through
courthouse computer databases.
The problem with that is, that, you know --
yeah, some court records are private,
but it wasn't in the news.
And, I was having my identity and my location
protected by a real estate company,
under the circumstances.
[S. DaSilva] Can we just take that time code down?
Because she said the address,
and we did want to put this interview online?
So, I don't think we want to put the address online. Correct?
[S. Markle] Okay. Sorry.
[Man] About 14:56. Right around there.
[S. DaSilva] Okay.
Just so, when we go back, we can take that out, for you.
[Man] Be careful.
[S. Markle] I know, I know.
[S. DaSilva] Um, sorry. 14:56 something?
[Man] Yeah, right around 14:56, yeah.
[S. DaSilva] Okay.
[S. Markle] Okay. [S. DaSilva] Okay, sorry.
[S. Markle] So, so.
They were saying:
"Hey, does this number or this street match?"
"Does this sound familiar?"
And, I, you know --
in other words, they were taunting me,
with my address, and my location,
letting me know
that they were out there, sharing it.
They were also sharing, um, screenshot admissions
of having my Social Security number.
Then, they said, they said,
"Oh, but we guessed your Social Security number."
Well, out of all the billions of possible combinations?
That couldn't be possible.
So -- you know, they were telling on themselves.
And the bottom line, here, is that
there is very private information that they were actively, all day,
obsessed about and combing, to get every little detail about me.
That acquiesces to stalking.
Because uh, uh, you know, someone who you don't know
doesn't have a right to be looking,
to see if there is anything about you in court,
to see what's going on with your medical records.
To share your address.
To be direct messaging people and asking questions about you.
Unless they are a reporter, or they have some valid reason,
for...getting every piece of information they can, about you,
and taunting you with it.
Like: "Hey, what about this? And what about that?"
Well, who are you,
to ask me "What about this and what about that?"
And, to try and spin it,
to villainize or criminalize me?
So, for -- I can see how, for teenagers,
that's overwhelming.
[S. DaSilva] Mm-hm. Yeah. You talked about the teenagers.
But, has the sheriff's office been open to your complaint,
and been taking it seriously?
[S. Markle] Yeah, since we started this whole thing.
You know, I showed them everything,
and let them know what was going on.
And, you know, I -- I'm really lucky,
to live in a state that takes that seriously.
You know, the cyber-stalking and "stand your ground" laws.
I feel really safe.
And it's nice to know
that law enforcement is proactive about that.
You know, you can't do that to a person.
You can't taunt them, put them in fear,
um, intimidate them --
harass them --
and encourage others, on a wide scale,
to engage in targeted harassment.
It's -- nobody, nobody deserves to live like that.
And, certainly not for expressing freedom of speech.
Because, you're a journalist.
If you did a report, and somebody didn't like something you had to say,
You know...it's really psychotic, that anybody would
go to that extreme, to suppress what you have to say,
and to make every corner of your life public information,
twisting it in a negative way.
To put you in fear, or shame.
[S. DaSilva] And, your reaction to the news spreading across the world
that you were the target of the investigation for
things you have said about your sister,
vs. what actually is happening.
[S. Markle] Well -- and I think that's really important too,
because there is a problem with aggregate news.
I understand that journalists and bloggers get so busy,
and a lot of them, you know --
there is often, on one side of, you know, the coin,
there is paid P. R. that spins things.
But there is also aggregate news error, that happens.
When they see fragments of information,
they don't have a lot of time to pop the stories out,
and they just copy them verbatim.
Maybe, with extra words, and spin it a little bit more.
And suddenly, the victim becomes the suspect.
Because someone didn't understand
what "being at the center of investigation" means.
Well, it doesn't mean I'm the suspect.
And, they didn't ask. They didn't bother to ask.
They just assumed, and put it in print,
that I was the suspect, not the victim.
Shouldn't happen.
[S. DaSilva] So there, as you -- Are you afraid for your life?
Here in Polk county?
[S. Markle] Well, yeah, I have been.
And, and, you know, if you can imagine
seeing your face on a bulls-eye
behind broken glass, or on a dartboard.
And, pictures of someone like Matt Damon,
looking through a high-powered scope,
a clip from a film, or a GIF.
And, "You can run but you can't hide, Samantha."
Those things are symbolic, and they are put out there
with the intent of putting you in fear.
Intimidating you,
preventing you from publishing a book,
um -- which happened, too. You know...
"We're gonna, if you put your book out,
we're gonna download it, and share it for free,
so nobody buys it."
Those are -- those are intimidation, uh, tactics,
that are against the law.
On many levels.
And so, yeah, it was scary for me.
I am in a wheelchair.
I don't need to feel like,
I am a slow moving target, going out of my own home.
Nobody has a right to do that to me, and
they are subject to legal sanction.
It's just -- that's not how a legal, you know,
high functioning society operates.
And, those criminals need to be made examples of.
They need to experience specific deterrents, under the law.
And, they need to be made out to be, you know,
examples of general deterrents.
So other would-be cyber-bullies know,
"Hey, don't do the crime, if you can't do the time,"
and most local law enforcement,
local and federal law enforcement agencies,
will come get ya.
You know, VPN or not,
there are ways to find these offenders.
[S. DaSilva] What do you say to critics who say,
"You spoke out. You know, you were vocal, you wrote a book."
[S. Markle] Well --
[S. DaSilva] "You tweeted..."
[S. Markle] But, writing a book and speaking out...
you know, my father had two heart attacks.
I didn't agree with my sister's treatment of the family.
That does not give some of these unhinged people
license, or the right
to engage in criminal activity against me.
Stalk, harass, incite violence against me.
It's like, any of us who have fought
for freedom of speech,
whether the issue is gender, race, political issues,
just because you say something
doesn't give people who disagree with you,
the right to put you in fear and suppress your opinion,
by threatening you when you do.
And that, you know --
I think that's what we really need to make a precedent.
We're not tolerating this any more.
We all have to 'agree to disagree' under the law,
because if you take it beyond those legal boundaries,
and you engage in criminal activity, intent,
you know, um -- intimidation, and harassment,
um, with the intent to put someone in fear,
if they speak?
It's against the law.
[S. DaSilva] Do you have any regrets
for anything that has happened, since, you said,
around the royal wedding?
[S. Markle] Um...
the only regret...
no, I don't have regrets.
Because I was being honest.
And I've always said,
"You shouldn't regret telling the truth."
And, when you tell the truth, you know --
yeah, I don't think the whistle blower is the problem.
But, if you do it from a heartfelt place,
and it's about family,
and it's about something you care about,
when you tell the truth,
the person on the receiving end,
or who you are telling the truth about,
has the opportunity,
but, I believe also, responsibility,
to say,
"Hey. Let me hear what you have to say.
Let's communicate.
Let's have a meeting of the minds,
and make things better.
Let's do what's right, here."
And, the only way the right thing can happen
is if people talk about it.
Silence, as the status quo,
accomplishes nothing.
So, you know,
where people were afraid to speak,
because of this high prestige issue, um...
it's wrong.
Because there's a real family issue there.
The public got involved.
They took it too far, without saying,
"Hey, they are family.
They can speak out if they want to.
It's not really our business."
But, they had their own agendas.
So, you can't suppress freedom of speech.
Or, none of us would be here,
and you wouldn't have a journalism job.
[S. DaSilva] Obviously, I think
there are similarities, here.
Between what you are saying,
and what your sister is saying,
and her husband.
[S. Markle] Right.
[S. DaSilva] About how they've been treated,
[S. Markle] Exactly.
[S. DaSilva] In the media, with
false reports, online harassment, and trolling.
How do you feel --
do you have compassion for them, in that way?
[S. Markle] I do, and I've also learned, through this,
that you know, in terms of aggregate news,
at one point, they were seeing stories,
probably reacting to what they thought we said,
or what they thought we were doing.
We were -- it was very reciprocal.
We were reacting.
But, the bottom line is,
there was so much propaganda out there,
that none of us really knew where the truth was.
And similarly, with the bullying.
You know, the people that disagree with her
have bullied her, to threatening extremes.
They bullied Kate and William.
They've bullied me.
But they have -- the difference is,
they have the money and the social, um,
or the financial resources, to protect themselves against that.
A normal person,
like me and my dad, you know, our family --
we don't.
[S. DaSilva] Mm-hm.
[S. Markle] We just got caught in the middle of it.
But, nonetheless, we had the right
to speak our feelings.
[S. DaSilva] There are people, I'm sure,
I will get tweets, facebook posts, whatever, saying
you even doing this interview
is you still trying to get publicity off your sister.
Why are you speaking out today?
[S. Markle] I am speaking out today because
there has been this really, uh, interesting phenomena, of
...people have always demanded their freedom of speech.
They speak out against the President.
They speak out against, you know,
whatever the issue is.
Or, the celebrity.
And, nobody says, "You just want attention."
They're just out there,
exercising their freedom of speech.
But because of this royal situation,
suddenly, it's all about,
"Oh, you must want attention."
Well, I worked in broadcasting
for a long time.
I am fifty-four.
I don't need attention.
It, it, it was a family issue,
it was heartfelt.
I was concerned with
my father dying, without closure.
And, and, in our communities,
because there was no invitation to the wedding,
it became public.
And the assumption was,
"Oh, you must not be worthy,
since you weren't invited."
So, it's not like It was a wedding in Ohio.
And, we wanted attention:
"Oh, why didn't we get invited."
It's because all of our peers in the world
were suddenly, you know,
putting us under a microscope,
"Why didn't you get invited?"
And it was some sort of character indictment.
The implication that,
"Oh, you must not be worthy."
And then, aggregate news
started spinning assumptions:
about the book, about family members.
And it got out of control.
So, um. Do I want attention?
No.
What I really wanted out of all of this,
was my sister to realize,
"Hey. I got caught up in a whirlwind.
What I did to my dad was wrong.
We're all bigger people.
Let's evolve, and do the right thing."
And it takes just as much time
to do the right thing,
as it does to ignore it.
And, um,
I'd like to see him be able to communicate with her,
before he passes away.
[S. DaSilva] That was going to be my next question.
What do you hope for your relationship with Meghan,
and your father's relationship with her?
For her to reach out?
[S. Markle] At some point, when she is ready.
But, you know, with me.
But, with my father,
'at some point' may be too late.
So, you know --
our repeated efforts to extend an olive branch...
I would assume, you know
when interacting with a, quote, "humanitarian,"
would be met with a very humble, um,
acceptance, and yeah,
"Let's look at this. Let's make this better."
And, that's all I was trying to say.
And, if that's bashing, wow.
Then, so, sue me.
[S. DaSilva] There were some bashing tweets.
[S. Markle] But that's, you know --
'Bashing?' Well...
I think a lot of the media labeled it as bashing,
like, if I did the thing I said about
Harry at the birthday,
"While you're mac-ing down on your birthday cake,
don't forget to wish Dad a Happy Birthday."
Is that bashing, or is it witty?
The problem --
[S. DaSilva] I think you called him a wuss.
[S. Markle] Yeah. Take your pants back. Be a man.
Because,
the whole family was being ghosted,
and I felt like,
"Hey. You know,
you're a man, too. You're letting my father suffer."
And, there was no real invitation.
Uh...so, I felt like,
somebody has to step up, and do the right thing,
and say something.
I worked in broadcasting.
I'm a counselor.
I believe in communication.
And, nobody was saying anything.
And the problem with tweets, though,
is that you can't hear tone of voice.
So, while I thought I was saying something
maybe cynical, maybe witty,
people couldn't hear it.
They were interpreting it through their own life lenses.
Maybe they were angry.
Maybe they've got a negative lens
over everything in their lives.
And, then, they were reacting to it
from their own personal perspectives.
Which does not always coincide with
the sender intent.
So, I think that's something really important
about social media, too.
And because there can be those crossed wires,
and they can be emotionally heated,
twitter and facebook and Instagram
have more of an obligation
to...not moderate that,
but, to keep it safe,
when people's intrepretations carry it to such heated levels,
that it crosses over into criminal activity.
That, you know, people are --
[S. DaSilva] People say things on social media
they would never say to someone's face.
[S. Markle] Right! Because the avatar, you know, is a shield.
It's a false source of empowerment.
You know, in the animal kingdom,
they puff their chest, to look bigger than they are.
Well, they can do that on social media.
Behind an avatar.
"Ooh, big words, on an avatar."
"I've got a flower out there, or a kitty cat.
But I'm going to say big, disgusting, terrifying things,"
and, you know...
It's...not good.
[S. DaSilva] How is your dad doing?
[S. Markle] He's doing okay.
He's doing better. He's, um...
feeling, you know...
I think, more empowered.
This has been...
a growth opportunity for all of us.
But, I think more than anything,
it's really interesting that the royals,
Meg and Harry,
and, you know, this side of the fence,
the Markles,
we are all kind of saying the same thing.
It is that you can have,
especially with the family,
if there is an issue out there, or a social issue,
you can disagree,
but you don't take it to the level of incredible,
terrorizing, taunting, intimidation,
threats.
That's where we cap it.
[S. DaSilva] Your father doesn't live in Polk county as well, does he?
[S. Markle] Hmm-mm.
[S. DaSilva] Okay.
Um...I read some articles...
I think you had said that you
raised Meghan until she was twelve,
pretty much? Or?
[S. Markle] See, here is where
I am gonna talk --
[S. DaSilva] I'm gonna fact-check that.
[S. Markle] Here's where I am gonna
talk about aggregate news, see.
[S. DaSilva] Yeah.
[S. Markle] Even a journalist like you,
and a lot of other journalists,
and talk show hostesses, believe that.
And I was sitting here, going,
"Wow. Where did you hear that?"
[S. DaSilva] Mm-hmm.
[S. Markle] Because I had said in one interview,
"I was integral in her life, until about twelve."
I always lived about ten minutes away,
she was born in our household,
my dad and Doria divorced when she was about six.
Still, it was during the week, weekends, intermingling,
you know, when I wasn't working.
And life was very normal.
For families with big sisters, and you know, younger kids.
But some journalists took it upon themselves
to say:
"She said she raised her."
I never said I raised her.
I said "I was integral in her life, until about twelve."
And then, even interacting all the way up through Northwestern.
And when she was in Buenos Aires.
And, even when...
So, to set the record straight,
the last time I saw her was 2008.
The last time I spoke to her on the phone was 2015, December,
going on January, 2016.
The last week of December.
So, no, it's not like --
and people said,
"Oh, she hasn't spoken -- "
[Samantha Markle] No soy la única.
Es algo que afecta a todo el mundo.
Esos indiividuos saben que no pagarán por su delito,
o por lo menos, es lo que creen.
Se esconden detrás de una VPN.
'Oye, no van a ver mi ISP, si hago esto por VPN.'
Así, les resulta más difisil caer bajo el peso de la ley.
Entonces, algo que Twitter, Facebook,
Instagram y los demás pueden hacer,
para que se cumpla la ley,
y proteger a sus usuarios es:
La biometría.
Para registrarse en su computadora,
tiene que usar reconocimiento de rostros,
su huella,
su I. D. o su documento de identidad.
¿Es eso una violación de la libertad individual o de la privacidad?
¡Claro que no!
Por que ellos están violando
la libertad y la privacidad ajena como vulgares criminales.
La ley no protege la identidad de los criminales.
Si ellos están violando la ley,
están bajo cargos criminales,
la ley no puece proteger su privacidad. su identidad.
Su rostro, su I. D., su... nada de eso...
Pienso que tienen una responsablidad,
como usuarios responsables de las redes sociales,
de ser transparentes.
Normalmente, como no estoy violando la ley,
voy a dejar que todos sepan quien soy yo,
voy a ser transparente.
Es lo que pienso.
[Staci DaSilva] ¿Cuando empezaron a acosarle?
[S. Markle] El acoso empezó
durante la época de la boda real,
y cuando la gente supo que
yo estaba en desacuerdo con mi hermana en algunos detalles,
como usted lo sabe,
por que no invitó a ningún miembro de ambas familias,
y, hmm...
voy a publicar un libro.
Era otro tema polémico.
Empecé a recibir amenazas,
y algunos individuos me postearon tuits
con mis fotos captadas
por cámaras de alta potencia,
detrás de cristales rotos,
con mi cara como blanco.
Si eso no se considera como una violación,
no sé que es.
Hacían todo eso para
intimidarme, aterrarme
hmm, para obstaculizar la publicación de mi libro.
Eso no se hace.
Tenemos libertad de expresión.
Solo por que
tengo una opinión diferente,
o por que voy a publicar un libro,
no le da el derecho a nadie
a realizar actividades delictivas como:
la coerción, la amenaza o la intimidación
para violar mi libertad de expresión.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Fue por Facebook y Twitter?
[S. Markle] Hmm-hmm.
No tengo una cuenta en Instagram.
Muchos años atrás, tenía una.
y creo que
solo dije: "¡Hola!"
Nunca la usé,
Pero, tiene miles de seguidores.
Y eso abruma.
Es decir, no puedo, no puedo acceder a
cada cuenta, y decir:
"Cancelen esta cuenta, no me pertenece,"
y hay tantas cuentas falsas
que están propagando comentarios despectivos,
tantas cuentas que difunden burlas.
Estas cuentas recurren a la
hm, difamación, calumnia, maledicencia, intimidación. Hm,
[S. DaSilva] ¿Con qué frecuencia sufre estos ataques?
Digo, ¿en su cuenta, en la red social?
[S. Markle] Um, cierro la sesión, no leo los mensajes.
Por que llegaron al punto
donde siempre hablaban de mí.
Estaban tratando de
lucirse, para atraer la atención,
decían cosas horribles sobre mi,
y crearon imagenes que me asocian a criminales.
Sabe, pensé: "Eso es mentira."
Cuando pienso en la gente
que están acosando por Internet,
solo quiero, sabe,
especialmente los jóvenes.
Quiero decirlos:
"Verdaderamente, no debes permitirlo."
"No debes alimentarlo."
"No es algo real, a menos que
lo permites agotarte, así, le das vida."
Hm, entonces...
sabe, los adolescentes, que son victimas,
no tienen los medios
para dejar su escuela,
o mudarse a otra comunidad
son como prisioneros.
Eso los agota.
Algunos de estos ataques
son muy crueles,
crean programas robot, avatars
para que estos adolescentes creen
que fueron atacados por miles de personas,
aunque es mentira.
Son pocos los que los atacan,
y se creen mas fuertes.
Sí, así son los matones.
Ellos hinchan su pecho.
Quieren sentirse fuerte.
Quieren sentir que tienen mucho poder.
Para los adolescentes,
a menudo, son acosados,
y por eso, piensan en matarse, e incuso se se matan.
Asi que, necesitan apoyo.
El apoyo de sus padres y amigos, Necesitan consejo.
Pero, más que eso,
necesitan tener presente que sus matones
son reales y poderosos, solo si se los permiten.
Es importante hablar y expresarse,
dejarles saber que es un abuso,
antes de que sea demasiado tarde.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Usted tuvo que trasladarse, verdad?
¿Cuántas veces tuvo que trasladarse?
[S. Markle] Dos veces.
[S. DaSilva] Dos veces. Desde Florida a Virginia?
[S. Markle] Sí, desde Florida a Virginia,
y lo mismo occurrió en Virginia.
Revelaron mi dirección,
y me preguntaron si eso sonaba familiar.
Mostraron fotos mías desde una cámara.
Pero, la cosa se empeoró.
Estaban compartiendo mis fotos, tomadas a través de
nuestras cámaras de seguridad.
O fotos mías con mi novio
ayudándome a subir en mi vehículo.
Quizá, fijaron sus cámaras en los árboles
o usaron nuestros aparatos electrónicos.
Lo que me confirmó que me piratearon,
me estaban vigilando.
Hm, compartieron fotos
de mi novio mirandose
en su teléfono celular.
Eso me dejó ver que
piratearon nuestros aparatos electrónicos.
Y sus aplicaciones pueden controlar cámaras.
Además, estaban mencionando
conversaciones que tuvimos en nuestro salón,
acerca del dinero, u otros asuntos.
Decían cosas como:
"Oye, ¿que pasó con los mil dólares?"
Nos estaban confirmando que
no solo nos estaban acosando,
nos estaban pirateando.
Para una gente como yo,
soy una consejera,
bastante inteligente,
creo que puedo manejarlo
y verlo por lo que es.
Pero, para un adolescente...
ve, que esta pasando por
una crisis de identidad,
sabe como es,
su autoestima
no está completamente desarrollada.
Puede ser escalofriante.
Cuando uno sabe que lo están mirando,
y todo lo que hace
está malinterpretado,
y lo usan para dañar su reputación,
y para amenazar a uno.
Sí, la ciberintimidación es horrible,
y pienso que la culpa hay que echarla sobre
las redes sociales.
Twitter, Facebook, Instagram. Toditas.
Hay que echar un ojo a las nuevas redes sociales.
Tienen que tener medios estrictos de identificación
para que sus usuarios no intimiden a nadie.
[S. DaSilva] Así que, ¿ya tiene como
seis meses aquí?
[S. Markle] Sí.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Quiere dar informar
en que ciudad vive ahora?
¿O solo quiere decir Polk County?
[S. Markle] Sí. [S. DaSilva] Bien.
¿Por qué eligió Polk County?
[S. Markle] Es maravilloso.
Me gustan los lagos, me gusta,
es un lugar más céntrico.
Donde vivía, había muchas hormigas rojas.
En Ocala, parece que es una
cosa típica de la zona.
Hm, lo que realmente quería
era el justo medio.
Estar cerca del agua,
como vivía en el sur de California.
Aquí lo tengo, sin la contaminación.
Pero, tengo familias aquí,
y la gente me encanta.
Así que, me quedo.
[S. DaSilva] Bien.
Vino acá seis meses atrás.
Y este verano,
sometió una queja a la oficinal del alguacil.
¿Por que hizo esto?
[S. Markle] Porque,
me acecharon y me acosaron.
Hm, le dieron una multa a mi novio
porque un faro trasero de un camión no funcionaba.
Algo que deberían mantener confidencial.
Pero, de alguna forma, revelaron la dirección
que estaba en esta multa
porque los piratas informáticos
accedieron a la computadora del tribunal.
El problema es que, como lo sabe...
algunos registros judiciales son confidenciales,
no aparecieron en las noticias.
Mi identidad y mi dirección fueron protegidas
por una compañía inmobiliaria
en este caso.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Podemos omitir el Time code?
Por que ella dio la dirección,
y queremos poner esta entrevista en Internet.
No creo que vamos a publicar la dirección, ¿verdad?
[S. Markle] Correcto. Lo siento.
[Señor] Cerca de 14:56. Por allí.
[S. DaSilva] Bien.
Así, cuando regresemos, podemos sacarlo de la grabación.
[Señor] Tenga cuidado.
[S. Markle] Yo sé.
[S. DaSilva] Lo siento. ¿14:56?
[Señor] Sí, 14:56.
[S. DaSilva] Bien.
[S. Markle] Bien. [S. DaSilva] Lo siento.
[S. Markle] ¿Que pasó?
Estaban diciendo:
"Oye, es el número y la calle exacta?"
"¿Reconoce eso?"
Y yo, sabe,
en otras palabras, se burlaron de mí,
usando mi dirección,
querían informarme
que la iban a compartir.
Además, estaban compartiendo fotos de mi
número de seguridad social
y decían:
"Oye, adivinamos su número de seguridad social."
¿Con mil millones de combinaciones posible?
Es imposible.
Sabe, estaban revelando quienes eran.
En conclusión,
cada día, querían informaciones y detalles,
buscaban cada detalle sobre mí.
Eso se llama espionaje.
Porque hm, una gente que no conoce
no tiene el derecho de ojear
tu registro judicial,
tu historial médico,
y revelar tu dirección.
Nadie escribe pidiendo datos de otro,
sin ser periodista o sin razones válidas,
compilando todo detalle posible de uno,
y usarlo para burlarse do uno.
Diciendo: "¿Y eso? ¿y aquello?"
Quien cree que es
para pedirme: "¿Y eso, y aquello?"
Además, trata de falsificar todo
para presentarme como un criminal.
Por eso, para los jóvenes,
es demasiado.
[S. DaSilva] Bien. Mencionó a los jóvenes.
¿Y su querella a la oficina del alguacil,
la tomaron en serio?
[S. Markle] Sí, desde el principio de todo.
Sabe, los presenté todos los hechos
y los enteré de todo lo que había.
Sabe, yo... Tengo mucha suerte,
vivo en un estado donde se cumple la ley.
Sabe, "ciberacecho" y "defensa personal".
Me siento muy protegida.
Es bueno ver que
hay medidas legales que nos protegen.
Sabe, nadie merece eso.
No se debe acosar o aterrar a nadie,
o amenazarlo,
atormentarlo,
y animar a otros, de forma colectiva,
a atormentar a alguien.
Nadie, nadie, merece vivir así.
Y claro, no por su libertad de expresión.
Por que es periodista.
Si hace un reportaje, y le cae mal a uno,
Sería una locura si alguien
llegara al extremo, queriendo acallar todo,
de hacer público todo detalle de su vida,
malinterpretando todo.
Para intimidarlo o avergonzarlo.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Cual fue su respuesta a las noticias internacionales
que sería objeto de investigación
por las cosas que dijo acerca de su hermana
y lo que está sucediendo realmente.
[S. Markle] Pienso que es muy inportante,
ya que hay problema con las noticias agregadas.
Sé que los reporteros, los blogueros, trabajan mucho,
y muchos de ellos, sabe...
a menudo, están buscando sus ganancias,
la gente paga por una nota de prensa.
Hay errores en las noticias agregadas.
Cuando ven un fragmento de información,
por falta de tiempo, no buscan el contexto,
solo copian la información,
con otros términos, la modifican un poco.
De repente, la víctima es culpable.
Por que alguien no entendió
la expresión "estar bajo investigación".
Eso no quiere decir estoy bajo sospecha.
No preguntaron nada. No querían preguntar.
Se lo creyeron, lo imprimieron,
que yo era lao sospechosa, no la víctima.
No deberían hacerlo.
[S. DaSilva] Así que, ¿teme por su vida?
¿Aquí en Polk county?
[S. Markle] Bueno, sí, me ha pasado.
Y, sabe, si puede imaginar
su cara en el tiro al blanco
detrás de cristales rotos, o en una diana.
Las fotos de alguien como Matt Damon,
mirándo por unos poderosos binoculares,
un clip de película, o una GIF, que dice:
"Corra, pero no hay escondite, Samantha."
Son señales que le ponen
para que tenga miedo.
Para intimidarte,
impidiendo la publicación de un libro,
ya ha pasado tambien. Sabe...
"Si publica su libro, vamos a...
vamos a descargarlo, y publicarlo gratis,
para que nadie lo compre."
Son tácticas de intimidación,
y están prohibidas por la ley.
En todos los niveles.
Así que, sí, tenía miedo.
Estoy en una silla de ruedas.
No me gusta sentirme
como un blanco muy lento saliendo de mi hogar.
Nadie tiene el derecho de hacerme eso,
puede estar sujeto a sanción legal.
Por que, una sociedad que se rige por la ley
y que funciona correctamente, no es así.
Deben dar el ejemplo con estos criminales.
La ley tiene que limitar sus actividades.
Estas leyes tienen que jugar un papel
de advertencias.
Así, los acosadores potenciales sabrán:
"Evite el delito, y será libre de castigo,"
y las fuerzas del orden local,
fuerzas del orden local y federales,
llegarán por usted.
Sabe, que usen VPN o no,
hay maneras de localizar estos criminales.
[S. DaSilva] Los críticos dicen:
"Se pronunció. Se expresó, tiene un libro"
[S. Markle] Bueno --
[S. DaSilva] "Usó Tweeter..."
[S. Markle] Usé un libro para expresarme...
Papí tuvo dos infartos.
Me dolió como mi hermana vio a la familia.
Eso no le otorga a esa gente desequilibrada
el derecho
de emprender acciones ilegales contra mí.
Acechan, acosan, incitan a la violencia.
Por ejemplo, cualquiera que está luchando
por la libertad de expresión,
cual sea su sexo, raza, posición política,
el hecho de que ha dicho algo
no le da a los que no comparten su opinión
el derecho de intimidarte o de callarte
con amenazas.
Por eso mismo,
pienso que es preciso crear un precedente.
No queremos seguir tolerando eso.
La ley protege la opinión de cada persona,
si uno traspasa estos límites legales
y comete algunos delitos,
como la intimidación, o el acoso,
para aterrar a alguien,
porque dijo la verdad.
Es ilegal.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Se arrepiente
de algo que haya dicho
acerca de la Boda real?
[S. Markle] Hm...
lo único que lamento...
no tengo nada de que lamentarme.
Por que estuve siendo honrada.
Siempre digo:
"No se lamente por haber dicho la verdad."
Y cuando dice la verdad, sabe...
Los que se oponen no son un problema.
Pero, si lo hace sinceramente,
y tiene que ver con la familia,
con algo que es muy importante para usted,
cuando dices la verdad,
la persona que está escuchando,
o la persona de quién está hablando,
tiene la posibilidad,
creo que también tiene la responsabilidad,
de decir:
"Un momento. Déjeme oir lo que dice."
¡Que hablemos!
Lleguemos a un acuerdo de ideas
y mejoremos las cosas.
Hagamos lo que es correcto."
La única manera de mejorar las cosas
es por la communicación.
Si no decimos nada,
no logramos nada.
Entonces, como sabe,
algunas personas no se expresan,
por temor a la alta sociedad...
eso está mal.
Hay un serio problema en mi familia.
El público se involucró.
Exageraron todo, incluso sin decir:
"Son de la misma familia.
Pueden hablarse libremente.
Francamente, no es nuestro asunto."
Pero tenían su propio plan.
No pueden sofocar la libertad de expresión.
Si pudieran, no estuvieramos aquí,
y no sería periodista.
[S. DaSilva] Claro que hay
hay muchas similitudes,
entre lo que usted dice
y lo que dicen su hermana
y su esposo.
[S. Markle] Sí.
[S. DaSilva] Como los trató la gente.
[S. Markle] Correcto.
[S. DaSilva] En la prensa,
falsos reportajes, ciberacoso, insultos.
¿Cómo se siente...
merecen compasión?
[S. Markle] Sabe, todo eso me enseñó
algo de la recopilación de noticias,
al principio, quizá solo vieron historias,
y su reacción se basó en suposiciones,
en lo que creyeron que había pasado.
Nosotros... Tuvimos la misma reacción.
Todos reaccionamos.
Pero, en realidad,
hubo tantas propagandas
que nadie supo que pasó realmente.
Eso mismo occurrió con el acoso.
Los que no estabán de acuerdo con ella
la acosaron, con grandes amenazas.
Hostigaron a Kate y William.
Me hostigaron a mí.
Pero, en su caso,
tienen contactos y recursos económicos,
o lo medios para protegerse.
Pero, una gente normal,
como yo y mi padre, entiende, mi familia,
no tenemos.
[S. DaSilva] Ya veo.
[S. Markle] No hay salida.
Pero, tenemos el derecho
de expresar nuestros sentimientos.
[S. DaSilva] Estoy segura que hay gente que
van a mandar mensajes, por Facebook o Tweeter:
Hasta en una entrevista,
està usando a su hermana para obtener publicidad.
¿Por qué està hablando hoy?
[S. Markle] Hoy, estoy hablando porque
algo muy impresionante está sucediendo,
la gente sigue defendiendo su libertad de expresión.
Denuncian abiertamente al presidente.
Se pronuncian en contra de...
cualquier problema.
O en contra de los famosos
Nadie opina: "Quieren llamar la atención."
Están allí solo para
ejercer su libertad de expresión.
Pero, como la realeza está envuelto,
de repente, la gente dice:
"O! Quiere llamar la atención."
Trabajé en la prensa
por años.
Tengo 54 años.
No necesito publicidad.
Es mi familiar.
Fui sincera.
Temía por
la vida de mi padre, no tenía apoyo.
En nuestra comunidad,
el hecho de que no fuimos invitados a la boda
generó una mala publicidad.
La gente decía:
"Quizá, no son dignos.
Por eso, no los invitaron."
No celebraron esta boda en Ohio,
y quisimos llamar la atención:
"O, ¿por qué no nos invitaron?"
Fue porque todos nuestros conocidos en el mundo,
de repente, sabe,
nos pusieron bajo un microscopio:
"¿Por qué no los invitaron?"
Fue como una acusación.
Dio la impresión:
"Quizá, no son dignos."
Y las noticias agregadas
estabán alimentando sospechas,
acerca del libro, de los miembros de la familia.
Quedó fuera de control.
Ve... ¿Necesito publicidad?
No.
En realidad, quería
que mi hermana se diera cuenta:
"¡Ay Dios! Me metí en problemas."
Lo que hice a mi padre estuvo mal.
Todos hemos crecido.
Tengo que cambiar mi forma de actuar."
Tomaría la misma cantidad de tiempo
tanto para hacer lo correcto,
como para dejar de hacerlo.
Y, hm...
me gustaría ver mi padre en paz con ella,
antes de fallecer.
[S. DaSilva] Iba a preguntar:
¿Qué tipo de relación espera tener con Meghan,
y qué espera de ella y de su padre?
¿Que se comunique con él?
[S. Markle] Sí, cuando esté lista para eso.
Sabe, en cuanto a mí.
Pero, en cuanto a mi padre,
'llegará el momento' en que será demasiado tarde.
Entonces, como lo sabe,
hicimos todo para dar una ofrenda de paz...
Supongo como trataba
con, como dicen, un "humanitario",
encontraría con alguien muy humilte,
muy acogedor, diciéndomo:
"Hablemos un poco. Arreglemos los asuntos."
Fue todo lo que quería decir.
Si eso fue una paliza... ¡Ay Dios!
¡Que me demanden!
[S. DaSilva] Había mensajes agresivos.
[S. Markle] Pero eso es --
'paliza'? Bueno...
En los media lo llaman paliza,
mire el comentario que hice acerca de
Harry en el cumpleaños:
"Mientras que vaya gozando en su cumpleaños,
no olvide desearle a papá feliz cumpleaños."
¿Fue un ataque o fue gracioso?
Pero,
[S. DaSilva] pienso que lo llamó cabrón.
[S. Markle] Sí. Compórtese como hombre.
Porque,
estabán criticando toda la familia,
sentí como:
"Oye. Sabe,
como hombre, ¿no ve la pena de mi padre?"
No había ninguna invitación formal.
Hm..., pensé que
alguien tiene que hacer algo, hacer lo correcto,
y decir algo.
Trabajé en la communicación.
Soy una consejera.
Creo en la communicación.
Nadie estabá diciendo nada.
El problema con los tuits,
es que no puede oir el tono de la voz.
Entonces, pensé que estabá expresando algo
como una duda, un chiste,
la gente no podía oir nada.
Cada quien tenía su interpretación.
Quizá estabán enojados.
Quizá, se basaron en cosas negativas
en sus propias experiencias.
Así que, sus respuestas
se basaron en sus opiniones personales.
Lo que no siempre coincidía con
la intención del mensajero.
Pienso que es algo que hay que considerar en
en las redes sociales también.
Y con estas confusiones,
a veces, cargadas de emociones,
Twitter, Facebook e Instagram
tienen la obligación moral
de, no solo suavizar,
sino de proteger a la gente,
cuando las opiniones personales causan tantos problemas,
que no traspasen los límites legales.
Sabe, la gente...
[S. DaSilva] La gente, en las redes sociales,
dice cosas que nunca dirían de frente.
[S. Markle] ¡Correcto! Por que el avatar es una máscara.
Es una falsa sensasión de poder.
Es como hacen los animales,
hinchan sus pechos para parecer más grande.
Sí, eso pasa en las redes sociales.
Detrás de un avatar.
"O, hablan mucho, detrás de un avatar."
"En mi perfil se ve una flor, o un gatito.
Pero, diré cosas que causan terror,"
y, sabe...
está mal.
[S. DaSilva] ¿Como está su padre?
[S. Markle] Está bien.
Está mejorando. Él se...
siento, sabe...
pienso, con más fuerza.
Esta situación
nos dio a todos la oportunidad de crecer.
Más que todo, pienso que
es muy interesante para la realeza,
Meg y Harry,
y como sabe, de nuestra parte también
Los Markles,
todos estamos diciendo lo mismo.
Es normal que,
especialmente en la familia,
si hay un desacuerdo, o una injusticia social,
puede que no esté de acuerdo,
pero no llegue al punto de estar
aterrorizando, intimidando, acosando,
amenazando.
Hay que ponerle límite a eso.
[S. DaSilva] Su padre vive en Polk county, ¿Sí?
[S. Markle] Hmm-mm.
[S. DaSilva] Bien.
Hm... Leí algunos artículos...
Creo que había dicho que
crió a Meghan hasta sus 12 años,
más o menos.
[S. Markle] Mire, con eso
tengo que hablar.
[S. DaSilva] Voy a averiguar eso.
[S. Markle] Hablemos de recopilación
de noticias.
[S. DaSilva] Eso.
[S. Markle] Hasta reportero como usted
y muchos otros reporteros,
y los animadores de debates lo creen.
Estaba sentada aquí, diciendo:
"Carramba, ¿donde sacó eso?"
[S. DaSilva] Hm-hmm.
[S. Markle] Por que dije en una entrevista:
"Tuve una influencia en ella hasta los 12."
Siempre viví a 10 minutos de ella,
nació en nuestro hogar,
Papí y Doria se divorciaron, y tenía séis.
Era durante la semana, fines de semana,
sabe, cuando yo no tenía trabajo.
Era una vida sencilla.
Una familia con hermanas mayores y niños.
Pero, algunos reporteros decidieron
decir:
"Dijo que la crió."
Nunca dije que la crié.
Dije: "Tuve una influencia en ella hasta los 12."
Y hasta nos communicamos en el noroeste.
Fue a Buenos Aires.
Hasta allí...
Para que todo sea claro,
la última vez que la ví fue en 2008.
Última llamada: diciembre 2015,
para enero 2016.
Última semana de diciembre.
Ve, no fue como
la gente decía:
"O, ella no dijo nada..."
[Samantha Markle] Il y en a d'autres.
Non solo a me.
Sta succedendo a persone in tutto il mondo
E questa persone sanno che non subiranno nessuna conseguenza
Se loro- se pensano di poterlo fare
nascondendosi con un VPN.
"Ehi, non sapranno il mio ISP, se utilizzo un VPN".
Quindi, diventa più difficile catturarli, per la polizia.
Quindi, la cosa che Twitter, e Facebook,
e Instagram, e altri, possono fare
per aiutare la polizia,
e aiutare i loro partecipanti a essere al sicuro:
è la biometrica.
Se usi il tuo computer per registrarti.
stai utilizzando il riconoscimento facciale.
O, la tua impronta digitale.
O il tuo- o il tuo I.D.
Questa è una violazione della libertà, e privacy?
Diavolo, no.
Perchè non sono li a-- non sono li a violare la libertà,
e la privacy di altri, secondo la legge.
Ai criminali non è garantita l'anonimità, secondo la legge.
Se sono lì fuori a violare la legge,
e--e-- commetendo crimini,
non--- non ti è garantita nessuna privacy o tutela di fronte alla legge,
della tua faccia, del tuo ID, and il tuo-- no, sei--
Penso che tu abbia la responsabilità,
essendo un user di questi social, maturo e responsabile
di essere transparente.
Sai, io non sono in giro a commettere crimini, e
lo proverò, lasciando che tutti conoscano chi io sia.
Sai, per essere transparente.
E' quello che penso.
Quando hanno iniziato a tormentarti?
Mi sono arrivate le prime intimidazioni
nel periodo del matrimonio reale.
E, e--da quando la gente ha saputo
Ero in disaccordo su alcune cose su mia sorella,
come, per esempio
non aver invitato entrambe le parti della famiglia,
e, um...
la possibilità dell'uscita del mio libro.
Quello era un altro tema controverso.
Sono iniziate ad arrivarmi intimidazioni,
e la gente mi mandava, twittava
foto di me, vista
attraverso un elettroscopio ad alta potenza,
dietro del vetro rotto,
con la mia faccia usata come bersaglio.
Sai, se questo non è ovvio simbolismo,
non so cosa lo è.
Ma, è stato tutto fatto con l'intento
di intimidare, di farmi provare paura,
di prevenire l'uscita del mio libro.
Non puoi fare una cosa del genere alla gente.
Abbiamo lla libertà di parola.
E, solo perchè
a qualcuno non piace quello che ho da dire,
o che ho un libro in uscita,
non vuol dire che puoi
commettere un reato,
coercizione, minaccie, intimidazioni,
di prevenire il mio esercizio della libertà di parola.
E' successo su Facebook o Twitter?
Mmm-hmm.
E non ho un account Instagram.
Ne ho fatto uno molti anni fa,
e, sai,
credo di aver solo detto "Ciao?"
Non l'ho mai usato,
ma ha migliaia di followers.
E diventa spaventoso.
Non posso, non posso andare
su ogni piattaforma, e dire,
"Ehi, chiudilo, non sono io".
ci sono tantissimi account fake, là fuori,
che dicono un sacco di cose denigratorie,
e account pariodistici.
Quelli sono altri tentativi a, sai,
diffamazione, calunni, ingiurie, bullismo.
Quante volte vedi questi troll?
Intendo, sui tuoi accounts social media.
Li ho chiusi, non vedo cosa dicono.
Perchè è arrivato al un punto
che continuavano a menzionarmi,
cercando di, sai,
segnalarsi, per ricevere attenzione
e dire cose orriile, e Photoshoppare e
creare cose per farmi passare per la cattiva, o criminalizzarmi.
Ho pensato, sai, "Questo non è reale".
E, per la gente là fuori
che è soggetta a bullismo online
sai, voglio--voglio solo
specialmente giovani.
Voglio dirvi,