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Full Phone Call: Trump Pressures Georgia Secretary of State To Recount Election Votes | NBC News

Mark Meadows:
Mr President everybody is on the line

and just so, this is Mark Meadows the
Chief of Staff

just so we all are aware

on the line is secretary of state and
two other individuals,

Jordan and Mr. Germany with him.

You also have the attorneys that represent
the President,

Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell
who is not the attorney of record

but he's been involved,
myself and then the President.

So Mr. President, I'll turn it over to you

Donald Trump: Okay thank you very much.

Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody:
we appreciate the time and the call.

So we've spent a lot of time on this and

if we could just go over some
of the numbers

i think it's pretty clear that we won,
we won very substantially Georgia,

you even see it by rally size, frankly.

We'd be getting 25, 30,000 people a rally

and the competition would get
less than a 100 people.

and it's never made sense,
but we have a number of things,

we have at least two or three

anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots

were dropped mysteriously into the rolls.

Much of that had to do with Fulton County
which hasn't been checked

we think that if you check the signatures
a real check of the signatures

going back in Fulton County,
you'll find at least

a couple of hundred thousand
of forged signatures

of people with -- that who have
who have been forged

and we are quite sure
that's going to happen.

Another tremendous number --

we're gonna have an accurate number
over the next two days,

with certified accountants --
but an accurate number will be given,

but it's in the 50s of thousands,
and that's people that went to vote

and they were told they can't vote

because they've already been voted for

and it's a very sad thing.

they walked out complaining but they --

the number's large, we'll have it for you,

but it's very, it's much more
than the number of 11,779

that's -- the the current margin is only
11,779.

Brad, I think I think
you agree with that, right?

That's, that's something I think everyone

at least that's the number
that everyone agrees on,

but that's the difference in the votes.

But we've had hundreds of thousands
of ballots that we're able to --

actually, we'll get you
a pretty accurate number.

You don't need much of a number
because the number that in theory

I lost by the margin would be 11,779.

But you also have [a] substantial
numbers of people

thousands and thousands who went
to the voting place on November third

were told they couldn't vote,
were told they couldn't vote

because a ballot had been put in
on their name and you know

that's very very very very sad.

We had, I believe it's about 4,502 voters
who voted

but who weren't
on the voter registration list.

so it's 5 thou-- 4,502 who voted
but they were not

on the voter registration roll
which they had to be.

You had 18,325 vacant address voters,
they had no --

the address was vacant and
they're not allowed to be counted.

That's 18,325.

Smaller number: you had 904
who only voted.

where they had just a PO,
a post office box number

and they had a post office box number
and that's not allowed.

We had at least 18 000 that's on tape
we had 'em counted very painstakingly,

18,000 voters having to do
with Ruby Freeman that's

she's a vote scammer
a professional vote scammer and hustler.

Ruby Freeman that is, that was the tape
that's been shown all over the world

that makes everybody look bad... you, me
and everybody else,

where they got, number one,
they said very clearly

and it's been reported that they said
there was a major water main break.

Everybody fled the area
and then they came back:

Ruby Freeman, her daughter
and a few people.

There were no Republican poll watchers,

actually, there were no Democrat
poll watchers, I guess they were them

but there were no democrats either and
there was no law enforcement.

Late in the morning, they went--
early in the morning,

they went to the table
with the black robe, the black shield,

and they pulled out the votes.

Those votes were put there
a number of hours before --

the table was put there --
I think it was, Brad, you would know,

it was probably
eight hours or seven hours before

and then it was stuffed with votes.

They weren't in an official voter box,
they were in what looked to be

suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but
they weren't in voter boxes.

The minimum number, it could be,
because we watched it

and they watched it, certified ,
in slow motion, instant replay,

if you can believe it,
but it had slow motion

and it was magnified many times over,
and the minimum it was,

was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.

You had out-of-state voters,
they voted in Georgia

but they were from out of state of 4,925.

You had absentee ballots
sent to their vacant,

they were absentee ballots
sent to vacant addresses,

they had nothing on them
about addresses, that's 2,326.

And you had drop boxes, which was very bad.

You had drop boxes that were picked up.

We have photographs and
we have affidavits from many people.

I don't know if you saw the hearings
but you have dropboxes

where the box was picked up
and not delivered for three days...

so all sorts of things could have
happened to that box, including,

you know, putting in the votes
that you wanted.

So there were many infractions
and the bottom line is

many many times the 11,779 margin
that they said we lost by.

We had vast, I mean you have,
the state is in turmoil over this

and I know you would like to get
to the bottom of it,

although I saw you on television today
and you said that you found nothing wrong.

I mean, you know, and
I didn't lose the state, Brad.

People have have been saying
that it was the highest vote ever

there was no way,
a lot of the the political people

said that there's no way they beat me
and they beat me in the -- Paul as you know,

every single state, we won every state,
we won every state house in the country,

we held the Senate,
which is shocking to people,

although we'll see what happens
tomorrow or in a few days,

and we won the House.

But we won every single state house and
we won Congress, which was supposed

to lose 15 seats and they gained, I think,
16 or 17 or something, i think.

there's now a difference of five.

There was supposed to be a difference
substantially more.

But politicians in every state,
but politicians in Georgia

have given affidavits and are going to --
that, that there was no way they beat me

in the, in the election,
that the people came out,

in fact they were expecting to lose

And then, they ended up winning by a lot
because of the coattails.

and they said there's no way,
that they've done many polls

prior to the election,
there was no way that they won.

Ballots were dropped in massive numbers
and we're trying to get to those numbers,

and we will have them -- they'll take
a period of time -- certified

but they're massive numbers and
far greater than the 11,779.

The other thing - dead people -
so dead people voted

and I think the the number is in the -
close to 5,000 people

and they went to obituaries

they went to all sorts of methods
to come up with an accurate number.

At a minimum it's close to
about 5,000 voters.

The bottom line is when you add it all up
and then you start adding, you know,

300,000 of fake ballots,

then the other thing they said
is in Fulton County in other areas

and this may or may not seem -- be true -
this just came up this morning

that they are burning their ballots
that they are shredding, shredding ballots

and removing equipment.

They're changing the equipment on the,
on the Dominion machines

And... you know that's not legal,
and they supposedly shredded,

I think they said 300 pounds of --
3,000 pounds of ballots.

And that just came to us
as a report today

And you know it's --
it's a very sad situation.

But, but Brad --

If you took the minimum numbers we're --
we're many many times above the 11,779

and many of those numbers are certified,

or they will be certified,
but they are certified.

And those are numbers that are there
that exist - and that,

that beat the margin, the margin of loss.

It beat - they beat it, I mean by a lot

and people should be happy to have
an accurate count

instead of an election
where there's turmoil -

I mean there's turmoil in Georgia
and other places,

you're not the only one, I mean, we have
other states that I believe

will be flipping to us very shortly.

And, but this is - this is something
that's -- you know,

as an example I think in Detroit
and I think there's a section,

a good section of your state actually,
which we're not sure,

so we're not going to report it yet,
but

in Detroit, we had 100 -

I think it was 139 percent
of the people voted.

That's not too good.

In Pennsylvania, they had
well over 200,000 more votes

than they had people voting.

And -- that was --
that doesn't play too well.

And the legislature there is
which is Republican

is extremely activist and angry.

But I mean, there were other things
also that were almost as bad as that

but, but, they had, as an example,
in Michigan, a tremendous number

a tremendous number of dead people
that voted.

I think it was - I think Mark -
it was 18,000 of --

some unbelievably high number
much higher than yours -

you were in the 4 to 5,000 category
and that was checked out laboriously

by going through, versus, by going through
the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said,
Brad, it's the bottom line and-

provisional ballots again, you know,

you'll have to tell me
about the provisional ballots,

but we have a lot of people
that were complaining

that they weren't able to vote because
they were already voted for.

These are great people, and you know,
they were shell-shocked.

I don't know if you call that
provisional ballots,

in some states, we had a lot of
provisional ballot situations

where people were given
a provisional ballot

because when they walked in on
November 3rd,

they were already voting for, voted for.
So that's it, I mean

we have many many times the number
of votes necessary to win the state.

And we won the state and we won it
very substantially and easily

and we're, we're getting, we have --
much of this is a very cert, you know

they're certified, far more are certified
than we need

but we're getting additional numbers
certified too

and we're getting pictures of dropboxes
being delivered and delivered late,

and delivered three days later
in some cases.

Plus we have many affidavits
to that effect.

Mark Meadows: So Mr President if I,
if I might be able to jump in

and I'll give Brad a chance.

Mr Secretary, one obviously, there is,
there are allegations where we believe

that not every vote or fair vote
and legal vote was was counted

and that's at odds with the representation
from the Secretary of State's Office.

What I'm hopeful for is there are
some way that we can find

some kind of agreement
to look at this a little bit more fully.

As you know, the President mentioned
Fulton County,

but in some of these areas where
there seems to be a difference of,

where the facts seem to lead.

And so, Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that,
in a spirit of cooperation and compromise,

is there something that

we can at least have a discussion
to look at some of these allegations

to to find a path forward
that's less litigious.

Raffensperger: Well, I've listened to
what the President has just said.

President Trump, we've had
several lawsuits

and we've had to respond in court
to the lawsuits and the contentions.

We don't agree that you have won,
we don't --

I didn't agree about the 200,000 number
that you mentioned,

and I'll go through that point by point.

What we have done is, we gave
our State Senate

about one and a half hours of of our time,
going through the election issue by issue.

And then on the State House,
the Government Affairs Committee,

we gave them about two and a half hours
of our time, going back point by point

on all the issues of contention.
And then just a few days ago,

we met with our US congressmen,
Republican congressmen,

and we gave them about two hours
of our time

talking about this past election.

Going back primarily what you're --
what you've talked about here

focused in on primarily, I believe is
the absentee ballot process.

I don't believe that you're really
questioning the, the Dominion machines,

because we did a hand re-tally
a 100% re-tally of all the ballots

and compared that to
what the machine said

and it came up with
virtually the same result.

Then we did the recount,
we got virtually the same results.

So I guess we could probably take that
off the table.

I don't think there's an issue about
that. I think what you were --

Trump: Well, Brad, Brad,
not that there’s not an issue,

but cause I, we, have a big issue
with Dominion

in other states and perhaps in yours,

but we have we haven't felt
we needed to go there.

And just to, you know maybe, put a little
different spin on what Mark is saying,

Mark Meadows, yeah we'd like to go further

but we don't really need to
we have all the votes we need.

You know, we won the state.

If you took, these are the most minimal
numbers, the numbers that I gave you.

Those are numbers that are certified.
Your absentee ballots

sent to vacant addresses,
your out-of-state voters, 4,925,

you know, when you add them up,
it's many more time it's many times

the 11,779 number.

So we could go through, we have not
gone through your Dominion,

so we can't give them blessing. I mean,
in other states, we think we found

tremendous corruption
with Dominion machines,

but we'll have to see.

But we, we only lost the state

by 11 thou--, by that number,
11,000 votes and 779.

So with that being said,
with just what we have,

and you know, with just what we have,

we're giving you minimum, minimum numbers,

we're doing the most conservative numbers
possible.

We're many times many, many times
above the margin.

And so we don't really have to, Mark,

I don't think we have to go through --
Meadows: Right.

Trump: because what's the difference
between winning the election by two votes

and winning it by a half a million votes?

I think we probably did win it
by half a mill... you know,

one of the things that happened,
Brad, is we have other people

coming in now from Alabama and
from South Carolina and from other states,

and they're saying "It's impossible
for you to have lost Georgia."

We won, you know, in Alabama, we set
a record, got the highest vote ever.

In Georgia, we set a record,
with a massive amount of votes,

and they say "It's not possible
to have lost Georgia."

And I could tell you by our rallies,

I could tell you by the rally I'm having
on Monday night,

the place, they already have lines
of people standing out front, waiting.

It's just not possible to have lost
Georgia, it's not possible.

When I heard it was close,
I said there's no way,

but they dropped a lot of votes in there,
late at night, you know that, Brad,

and that's what we are working on
very, very stringently.

But regardless of those votes,
with all of it being said,

we lost by 11, essentially, 11,000 votes.

And we have many more votes
already calculated and certified too.

So I just don't know, you know,
Mark, I don't know what's the purpose.

I won't give Dominion a pass
because we found too many bad things,

but we don't need Dominion
or anything else.

We have, we have all,
we have won this election in Georgia,

based on all of this and there's
nothing wrong with saying that, Brad.

You know, I mean, having a correct --

The people of Georgia are angry and

these numbers are gonna be repeated
on Monday night,

along with others that we're gonna have
by that time,

which are much more substantial, even.

And the people of Georgia are angry,
the people of the country are angry,

and there's nothing wrong with saying
that, you know --

that you've recalculated because
the 2,236 in absentee ballots,

I mean, they're all exact numbers
that were, were done

by accounting firms, law firms etc.

And even if you cut them in half,

cut them in half,
and cut them in half again,

it's more votes than we need.

Raffensperger: Well, Mr President,
the challenge that you have

is the data you have is wrong.

We talked to the congressmen

and they were surprised but they

I guess there was a person named
Mr. Raynard

that came to these meetings and

presented data

and he said that there was dead people

I believe it was upward of five thousand

the actual number were two.

Two people that were dead that voted,

and so that's wrong that was two.

President Trump: Well Cleta how
do you respond to that?

I mean, you tell me

Cleta Mitchell: Well, I would say,
Mr. Secretary, one of

the things that we have requested

and we did, what we said was, and
if you look at

this--if you read our petition it says

that we took the name and birth years

and, you know, we had certain information

available to us.

We have asked from your office for

records that only you have.

And so we said there's a universe

of people who have the same name and

same birth year and died,

but we don't have the records that you
have.

And one of the things that we have been
suggesting,

formally and informally, for

weeks now, is to try is
for you to make available

to us the records that would be necessary

Trump: But Cleta, Even before you do that

Cleta, even before you do that,

and not even including that that's why I

hardly even included that number

although in one state we have a

tremendous amount of dead people, so I

don't know. I'm sure we do in Georgia too.

I'm sure we do in Georgia too, but

is that we're so far ahead,

we're so far ahead of these numbers, even

the phony ballots of

of Ruby Freeman, known scammer.

You know the Internet you know what was

trending on the Internet?

"Where's Ruby?" Because they thought you'd

be in jail.

Where's Ruby? It's a

It's---it's crazy, it's crazy that was.

The minimum number is 18,000

for Ruby, but they think it's probably

about 56,000.
But the minimum number is

18,000 on the Ruby Freeman night
where she ran back in

there when everybody was gone and stuff.

She stuffed the ballot boxes, let's face
it Brad.

I mean they did it in slow motion
replay magnified, right.

She stuffed the ballot boxes.

They were stuffed like nobody's
ever seen them stuffed before.

So there's a term for it when
it's a machine instead of a ballot box,

but she stuffed the machine, she stuffed
the ballot.

Each--each ballot went three times.
They were showing:

here's ballot number one, here it is the
second time, the third time,

next ballot.
I mean look Brad, this is--

We have a new tape that we're going

to release... it's devastating.

And by the way that one event,
that one event

is much more than the 11,000 votes that
we're talking about.

It's, you know, that one event was a

a disaster, it's just, you know

but it was

it it was something that, it can't be
disputed.

Yet again we have a version that you
haven't seen, but it's--it's magnified.

It's magnified and you can see every
everything.

And she put, for some reason, they put it
in three times...

each ballot, and I don't know why.

But you know, why, I don't know why three
times. Why not five times, right?

but... yeah go ahead

Raffensperger: You're talking about
the StateFarm video, and I think it's

extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani
or his people they sliced and diced that video

and took it out of context.

So the next day we brought in WSBTV and
we let them show to see the full run of

tape.
And what you'll see,

the events that transpired are nowhere
near what was

was projected by--
Trump: But where were the poll

watchers Brad? There were no poll
watchers there.

There were no Democrats or Republicans.
There was no security there.

It was late in the evening, late in the--
early in the morning

and there was nobody else in the room.

Where were the poll watchers and
why did they say a water main broke?

Which they did, and which is reported in
in the newspapers.

They said they left.
They ran out because of a water main

break, and there was no water main.

There was nothing.
There was no break.

There was no water main break.

But where, if you, if you take out
everything,

where were the Republican poll watchers?
Even where were the Democrat poll

watchers cause there were none.

And then you say, well they left their
station,

you know, if you look at the tape.
And this was--this was reviewed by

professional police and detectives
and other people.

When they left in a rush--
Everybody left in a rush

cause of the water main, but everybody
left in a rush.

These people left their station.
When they came back,

they didn't go to their station. They went
to the apron wrapped around the table,

under which were thousands and thousands
of ballots in a box that

in a box that was not an official or
a sealed box.

And then they took those and they went
back to a different station.

So if they would have come back, they
would have walked to their station and

they would have continued to work.

But they couldn't do even that
because that's illegal because they had no

Republican poll watchers.

And remember, her reputation is
is, deva---

She's known all over the Internet, Brad.
She's known all over it.

I'm telling you where's, where's Ruby?
Was one of the hot items on the--

Ruby they knew her... where's Ruby?

So Brad, you know this, there can be no
justification for that

and I, you know, I give everybody the

benefit of the doubt

but that was and and Brad why did they
put the votes in three times, you know?

they put them in three times--

Raffensperger: Mr. President they did not
put that. We we can we did an audit of

that. We've proved conclusively that they
were not scanned three times.

Trump: Well where was everybody else at
that late time in the morning?

Where was everybody? Where were the
Republicans?

Where were the security guards?

Where were the people that were there
just a little while before when everyone

ran out of the room?

How come how come we had no security in
the room?

Why did they run to the bottom of the
table?

Why did they run there and just open the

skirt and rip out the, and rip out the
votes?

I mean, Brad

And they were sitting there, I think
for five hours or something like that,

the votes, but they just all happened to
run back and go...

you know, Brad

Raffensperger: Mr. President, we'll send
you the link from WSD that doesn't-

Trump: I don't care about a link, I don't
need it.

I have a link and I have a much better
link.

I have a much better link

Cleta: Mr. Secretary, I will tell you
I've seen the tape,

the full tape, so has Alex.

We've watched it, and what we saw and

what we've confirmed in the timing is that

they made everybody leave.

We have sworn affidavits saying that.

And then they continue--then they began
to process ballots and our estimate is

that there are roughly 18,000 ballots.

We don't know that. if you know that--

Trump: it was 18,000 ballots
but they used each one three times--

Cleta: Well I don't know about that-

Trump: Well I do, because we have--
We had ours magnified out

Cleta: But we have, I've watched the
entire thing.

Trump: But, you know. But nobody can make a case for
that Brad. No body.

I mean look, that's--you'd have to be a
child to think anything other than that.

Just a child, I mean you have you never--

Cleta: How many ballots--
How many ballots--[unintelligible]

Raffensperger: We had--we had GTI
certainly investigate that.

Ryan Germany: We had our, this is Ryan
Germany,

We had our law enforcement
officers talk to everyone who was who was

there after that event came to light.

The GBI was with them as well as FBI
agents--

Trump: Well there's no way they could
poss...Then they're incompetent.

They're either dishonest-

Cleta: Well what did they find?

Trump: There's only two answers:
dishonesty or incompetence.

There's just no way, look, there's no way.

And on the other side...

I said too there's no way. I mean there's
no way that these things could have been..

You know, you have all these different
people that--that voted, but they don't

live in Georgia anymore.

What was that number Cleta? That was a
pretty good number too.

Cleta: Well the number who had registered
out of state after they moved from Georgia

And so they they had a date when they
moved from Georgia,

they registered to vote out of state and
then it's like 4500

I don't have that right in front of me--

Trump: And then they came back in and they
voted.

Cleta: and voted, yeah
Trump: No that was a large number

though it was in the 20s.

And you know the point is-

Germany: We've been going through each of
those as well and and those numbers

that we got that Ms. Mitchell was just
saying, they're not accurate.

Everyone we've been through are people
that lived in Georgia,

moved to a different state, but then
moved back to Georgia legitimately.

And in many cases-

Trump: How many people do that? I mean
they moved out and then they said

"ah to hell with it I'll move back" and
you know

it doesn't sound like a very normal--
You mean they moved out

and what they missed it so much that
they wanted to move back in?

You know, it's like, it's great.

Germany: Well and then this is they
moved back in years ago.

This was not like something just
before the election.

So there's something about that data
that it's just not accurate.

Trump: Well I don't know. I mean, all I
know is that it is it is certified.

and they moved out of Georgia and they
voted.

it didn't say they moved back in Cleta,
did it?

Cleta: No but I mean we look we're looking
at the voter registry.

Again if you have additional records,
we've been asking for that,

but you haven't shared any of that with
us. You just keep saying you've been--

Trump: Cleta, a lot of it you don't need
to be shared.

I mean to be honest they should share it.

They should share it because you want to
get to an honest election.

I won this election by hundreds of
thousands of votes.

There's no way I lost Georgia. There's no
way.

We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.

I'm just going by small numbers when you
add them up

there many times the eleven
thousand.

But, but I won that state by hundreds of
thousands of votes.

Now do you think it's possible that they
shredded ballots in Fulton County because

that's what the rumor is.

And also that Dominion took out machines.

That Dominion is really moving fast
to get rid of their machinery.

Do you know anything about that?

because that's illegal

Germany: No, Dominion has not
moved any machinery out of Fulton County.

we're having-
Trump: well but no but

but if they move--have they moved
the inner parts of the machines

and replaced them with other parts?

Germany: No.
Trump: Are you sure Ryan?

Germany: I'm sure. I'm sure, Mr. President

Trump: What about what about the

what about the ballots, the shredding of
the ballots?

Have they been shredding ballots?

Germany: No the only investigation that
we have into that...

They have not been shredding any ballots.

There was an issue in Cobb County where
they were doing normal

you know office shredding getting rid
of old stuff,

and we investigated that but this is
stuff from, you know, past elections.

Trump: Oh I don't know...

It doesn't pass the smell test though.

Because we hear they're shredding
thousands and thousands of ballots.

And now what they're saying "oh we're
just cleaning up the office."

You know [chuckles] I don't think that
plays.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem
you have with social media...

They can...people can say anything-
Trump: No this isn't social media

This is Trump media.

It's not social media it's it's it's
really not. It's not social media.

I don't care about social, but I couldn't
care less.

Social media is big tech. Big tech is on
your side, you know

I don't even know why you have a side
because you should want to have

an accurate election.

And you're a Republican.

Raffensperger: We believe that we do have
an accurate election.

Trump: No I, no you don't. No, no you
don't. You don't have...You don't have...

Not even close. You got...you're
off by hundreds of thousands of votes.

and just on the small numbers you're off
on these numbers.

and these numbers can't be just...
Well why won't...

Okay so you send us into Cobb County for
signature verification, right

you send this into Cobb County, which we
didn't want to go into,

and you said it would be open to the
public and we could have our--

so we had our experts there. They weren't
allowed into the room.

But we didn't want Cobb County.

We wanted Fulton County, and you wouldn't
give it to us.

Now, why aren't we doing signature and why
can't it be open to the public

and why can't we have professionals do it

instead of rank amateurs that will never
find anything

And and don't want to find anything?

They don't want to find--you
know they don't want to find anything.

Someday you'll tell me the reason why

because I don't understand your reasoning,
but someday you'll tell me the reason why.

But why don't you--

Raffensperger: Mr. President, we chose
Cobb County--

Trump: What?

Raffensperger: Sorry, go ahead

Trump: Yeah, why did you okay so why did
you do Cobb County?

We didn't even request--we requested
Fulton County not Cobb County.

(inaudible)

Trump: Yeah go ahead please, go ahead

Raffensperger: We chose Cobb County
because that was the only county where

there's been any evidence submitted that
the signature verification was not

properly done.

Trump: Well no but but I told you. But
we're not saying that.

We are the agreed--we're the agreed
party.

Fulton County--Look

Stacy in my opinion, Stacy is as
dishonest as they come.

She has outplayed you at every heart, at
everything.

She got you to sign a totally
unconstitutional agreement,

which which is a disastrous agreement.

You can't check signatures, you can't do
it. I can't imagine you're allowed to do

you're allowed to do harvesting, I guess.

in that agree...That agreement is a
disaster for this country, and but she got

you somehow to sign that thing.

And she is a...She's outsmarted you at
every step.

And I I hate to imagine what's gonna
happen on Monday or Tuesday,

but it's very scary to people.

You know, where the ballots flow in, out
of nowhere. It's very scary to people.

That consent decree is a disaster. It's a
disaster.

A--a very good lawyer who examined it said
they've never seen anything like it.

And uh--

Raffensperger: (inaudible)

..is still illegal in the state of Georgia

and that settlement agreement did not
change that one-

Trump: It's not a settlement agreement
it's a consent decree.

It even says consent decree on it
doesn't it?

It uses the term consent decree. It
doesn't say settlement agreement.

It's a consent decree. It's a disaster.

Raffensperger: It's a settlement
agreement.

Trump: What's written on top of it?

Raffensperger: Ryan?

Germany: I don't have it in front of me,
but it was not entered by the court.

It's not a court order--

Trump: No it's it's called--but Ryan
it's called the consent decree.

is that right on the paper?
Is that right?

Germany: I don't--I---I--I don't--I don't
believe so,

but I don't have it in front of me

Trump: Ok, ok, whatever it's a disaster.
It's a disaster.

Look, here's the problem: we can go
through signature verification

and we'll find hundreds of thousands of
signatures if you let us do it.

And the only way you can do it, as you
know, is to go to the past.

But you didn't do that in Cobb County.

You just looked at one page compared to
another.

The only way you can do a signature
verification is go from

the one that signed it in 20--in November
on November whatever, recently.

And compared to two years ago, four years
ago, six years ago, you know

or even one. And you'll find that you
have many different signatures.

But in--in Fulton, where they dumped
ballots,

you will find that you have many that
aren't even signed.

And you have many that are forgeries, ok.

You know that, you know that. You have no
doubt about that.

And you will find--You will be at 11,779
within minutes

because Fulton County is totally corrupt

and so is she totally corrupt.

And they're going around playing you and
laughing at you behind your back Brad.

whether you know it or not, they're
laughing at you.

And you've taken a state that's a
Republican state and you've made it

almost impossible for a Republican to win
because of cheating.

Because they cheated like nobody's ever
cheated before.

And I don't care how long it takes me.

You know, we're going to have other
states coming forward pretty good,

but I won't--this is never given this is--

We have some incredible talent

said they've never seen anything.

Now the problem is they need more time
for the big numbers,

but they are very substantial numbers.

But--and I think you're going to find
that they uh--

by the way, a little information, I think
you're gonna find

that they are shredding ballots because
they have to get rid of the ballots

because the ballots are unsigned.

The ballots are--are corrupt.

And they're brand new. And they don't
have seals.

And there's a whole thing with the ballots***

but the ballots are corrupt. And you're
going to find that they are,

which is totally illegal it's it's it's

more illegal for you than it is for them

because you know what they did and

you're not reporting it that's a

you know that's a criminal that's a

criminal offense

and and you know you can't let that

happen that's that's a big risk

to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That's a

big risk

but they are shredding ballots in my opinion

based on what I've heard and they are

removing machinery

and they're moving it as fast as they can

both of which are criminal fines and you

can't let it happen and you are letting

it happen or you know I mean

I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen

so look all I want to do is this i just

want to find

11,780 votes

which is one more that we have

because we won the state and flipping

the state

is a great testament to our country

cause

you know and there's this there's just

it's a testament that they can admit to

a mistake or whatever you want to call

it if it was a mistake i don't know

a lot of people think it wasn't a

mistake it was much more

criminal than that but it's a big

problem in Georgia and it's it's not a

problem that's going away

I mean you know it's not a problem

that's going away

and and we got it

Germany: This is Ryan

we're looking into every one of those things

that that you mentioned-

Trump: but if you find them you've got to

say it right

(inaudible)

Germany: Let me tell you what we are seeing

Trump: Go ahead, good

Germany: What we're seeing is not at all

what you're describing right these are

investigators from our office these are

investigators from

GBI and they're looking and

they're good

and that's not what they're seeing and

we'll keep we'll we'll keep looking

we'll keep looking at all of these things

Trump: Well you better check on the ballots

because they are shredding ballots

i'm just telling you Ryan they're

shredding ballots

and you should look at that very

carefully because that's so illegal

you know you may not even believe it

because it's so bad but but

they're shredding ballots because they

think we're going to eventually get

there because we'll eventually get into

Fulton

you know it's in my opinion it's my

opinion it's never too late

so oh so oh little double sound

so so that's the story

fellas I look we need only 11,000 votes

we have far

more than that as it stands now we'll

have

more and more and

do you have provisional ballots at all Brad?

provisional ballots

Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are

allowed you know by state law-

Trump: Sure, but do

you have them I mean are they counted or

did you just hold them back because they

you know in other words how many

provisional ballots do you have in the state?

Raffensperger: We'll get you that number

Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name

Trump

because these are people that were

scammed when they came in

and we have thousands of people that

have testified or that want to testify

when they came in they were proudly

going to vote on November 3rd

and they were told I'm sorry you've

already been voted for

you've already voted the women men

started screaming no I proudly voted

till November 3rd they said I'm sorry

but you already been voted for and you

have a ballot

and these people are beside themselves

so they went out and they filled in a

provisional ballot

putting the name Trump on it and what

about that batch of military ballots

that came in and even though I won the

military by a lot

it was a hundred percent Trump do you

know I mean 100

Biden do you know about that a large

group of ballots came in I think it was

to Fulton County

and they just happened to be a hundred

percent for Trump, even though, for Biden

even though Trump won the military by a

lot

you know a tremendous amount but these

ballots were 100

for Biden and you know about that a very

substantial number came in

all for Biden

does anybody know about it?

Cleta: I know about it

but we were never

Trump: Well okay Cleta wait I'm not asking you

Cleta honestly

I'm asking I'm asking Brad you know

about the military ballots that we have

confirmed now do you know about the

military ballots that came in that were

a hundred percent I mean a hundred

percent for Biden do you know about that

Germany: I don't know about that I do know

that we have

when when military ballots come in it's

not just military it's also military and

overseas citizens the military

part of that does generally go

Republican the overseas citizen part of it

generally goes very Democrat

Trump: No but this was

yeah that's okay but I get I

got like 78%

in the military these ballots were all

for this this they were

they didn't tell me overseas could be

overseas too but I get votes overseas

too Ryan you know in all fairness

no they came in a large batch came in

and it was

quote 100% for Biden

and that is criminal you know that's

criminal

okay that's another criminal that's

another of the many criminal events

many criminal events here

I don't know look Brad I gotta get I

have to find

twelve thousand votes and I have them

times

a lot and therefore I won the state

that's before we go to the next step

which is in the process of right now

you know and I watched you this morning

and you said

well there was no criminality but I I

mean all of this stuff is

is very dangerous stuff when you talk

about no criminality i think it's very

dangerous

for you to say that i just i just don't

know why

you don't want to have the votes counted

as they are like even you when you went

and did that check and i was surprised

because you know i didn't consider

the check and we found a few thousand

votes that were

against me I was actually surprised

because the way that check was done

all you you're doing is we you know

recertifying

existing votes and you know

you were given votes and you just

counted them up and you still found

three thousand that were bad

that was sort of surprising that came

down three or five

I don't know a lot it was still a lot of

votes but but

you have to go back to check from past

years

with respect to signatures

and if you check with Fulton County

you'll have hundreds of thousands

because they dumped

ballots into Fulton County and the other

county next to it

so what so what are we going to do here

folks I only need 11,000 votes

fellas I need 11,000 votes give me a break

you know we have that in spades already

or we can keep it going but that's not

fair to the voters of Georgia because

they're going to see what happened

and they're going to see what happened I

mean I'll

I'll take on anybody you want with

regard to Ruby Freeman and her lovely daughter

a very lovely young lady I'm sure but

Ruby Friedman. I will take Friedman

I will take on anybody you want and the

the minimum

there were 18,000 ballots but they used

them three times so that's

you know a lot of votes

and that one event and they were all

to Biden by the way that's the other

thing we didn't say

you know the Ruby Freeman one thing

I forgot to say which was the most

important

do you know that every single ballot she

did went to Biden you know that, right?

do you know that by the way Brad?

every single ballot that she did through

the machine

at early early in the morning

went to Biden did you know that Ryan?

Germany: That's not accurate Mr. President

Trump: Huh, what is accurate

Germany: The numbers that we are showing are

accurate

Trump: No about Ruby Freeman about about

early in the morning Ryan when the woman

took the you know when the whole gang

took the stuff out of the

from under the table right do you know

that though do you know who those

ballots you know who they were made out

to do you know who they were voting for?

Germany: No not specifically- Trump: did you ever check

Germany: We did what I described the (inaudible)

Trump: no no no did you ever check the ballots

that were scanned by Ruby Freeman known

a known political operative

balloter did you ever check who those

votes were for?

Germany: We've looked into that situation that

you described-Trump: No they were 100%

for Biden

100% there wasn't a Trump vote in

the whole group

why don't you want to find this Ryan?

what's wrong with you? I heard that I

heard

your lawyer is very difficult actually

but I'm sure you're a good lawyer

you have a nice last name but but I'm

just curious

why wouldn't why why do you keep

fighting this thing

it just doesn't make sense we're way

over the

17,779 right

we're way over that number and

just if you took just Ruby Freeman

we're over that number by five five or

six times when you multiply it out times three

and every single ballot went to

Biden and

and you didn't know that but now you

know it

so so tell me brad what are we going to do

we won the election and it's not fair to

take it away from us like this

and it's gotta be be very costly in many ways

and I think you have to say that you're

going to re-examine it and

you can re-examine it but but re-examine

it with people that

want to find answers not people that

don't want to find answers

for instance I'm hearing Ryan and he's probably

I'm sure a great lawyer and everything

but he's making statements about

those ballots that he doesn't know but

he's making him with such

he he did make him with surety but now I

think he's less sure because the answer

is they all went to Biden

and that alone wins us the election

by a lot you know

Raffensperger: Mr. President you have people that submit information

and we have our people that submit information

and then it comes before the court and

the court then has to make a determination

we have to stand by our numbers we

believe our numbers are right

Trump: Why do you say that though I don't know

I mean sure we can play this game with

the courts

but why do you say that first of all

they don't even assign us a judge

they don't even assign us a judge

but why wouldn't you if hey Brad

why wouldn't you want to check out Ruby Freeman

and why wouldn't you want to say hey if

if in fact

President Trump is right about that then

he wins the state of Georgia just that

one incident alone without going through

hundreds of thousands of drop ballots

you just say you stick by you I mean

I've been watching you for

you know you don't care about anything

your numbers are right

but your numbers aren't right they're

really wrong and they're really wrong Brad

and I know this phone call's going

nowhere other than

other than ultimately you know

look ultimately I win ok? Because-

Cleta: But Mr. Secretary (inaudible)

Trump: You guys are so wrong and you've treated

this you've treated the population of

Georgia so badly

you between you and your governor who

wouldn't who was down at 21

he was down 21 points and like a schmuck

I endorsed him and got he got elected but

I will tell you he's a disaster and

he'll never

I can't imagine the people are so angry

in Georgia I can't imagine

he's ever getting elected again I'll

tell you that much right now

but but why wouldn't you want to find

the right answer Brad instead of

keep saying that the numbers are right

because those numbers are so wrong

Cleta: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President, I mean one of

the things that

we have been Alex can talk about this

we've talked about it

and I don't know whether the information

has been conveyed to

your office but I think what the

president's saying

what we've been trying to do is to say

look the court is not

acting on our petition they haven't even

assigned a judge

but the people of Georgia and the people

of America have a right to know

the answers and you have data and

records that we don't have access to

and you keep telling us and making

public statements

that you've investigated this and you

know nothing to see here

but we don't know about that all we know

is what you tell us

what I don't understand is why it

wouldn't be in everyone's best interest

to try to

get to the bottom compare the numbers

you know if you say

because if to try to be able to get to

the truth and that we because

we don't have any way of confirming

what you're telling us you tell us that

you've had an investigation of the State

Farm Arena

I I don't have any report I've never

seen a reported investigation I don't

know what that is

I've been pretty involved in this and I

don't know and that's just

one of like 25 categories

and it doesn't even and and as I as the

president said we haven't even

gotten into the Dominion issue that's

not part of our case it's not part of

we we just didn't feel as though we had

any way

to be able to develop- Trump: No we do have a

way but I don't want to get into it

have we found a way in other states

Cleta, excuse me but we don't need it

because we're only down 11,000 votes so

we don't even need it

I personally think they're corrupt as

hell but we don't need that

because all we have to do Cleta is find

11,000 plus votes

so we don't need that I'm not looking to

to shake up the whole world we won

Georgia easily

we won it by hundreds of thousands of

votes but if you go by

basic simple numbers we won it easily, easily

so we're not giving Dominion a pass

on the record

Cleta: No, right exactly Trump: but we just don't you know

we don't need Dominion because we have

so many other votes

that we don't need to prove it any more

than we already have

Hillberg: Mr. President, Cleta this is Kurt Hillberg if I might

inject here for a moment. Ryan, I

would like to suggest

that just four categories that have

already been mentioned by the president

that have actually hard numbers of 24,149 votes

that were counted illegally

that in and of itself is sufficient to

change the results or place the outcome

in doubt

we would like to just sit down with

your office and we can do it through

purposes of compromising

settlement just like this phone call

just to deal with that limited category

of votes

and if you were able to establish that

our numbers are not accurate

then fine. However, we believe that they

are accurate we've had

now three to four separate experts look

at these numbers

these numbers are based upon the USPF and

Trump: certified certified accountants looked

at 'em

correct and this is just based on USPF

data and your own Secretary of State data

so that's what we would entreat and ask

you to do to sit down with us

in a compromise and settlements you know

proceeding and actually go through the

registered voter IDs and the

registrations

and if you can convince us that that 24,149

is inaccurate then fine

but we we tend to believe that that is

you know obviously more than 11,779

that's sufficient to change the

results entirely in and of itself so

what would you say to that Mr. Germany?

Germany: Kurt, I'm happy to

I'll get with our lawyers and we'll set

that up

that number is not accurate and I think

we can show you for all the ones we've

looked at

why it's not and so if that

that would be helpful I'm happy to get

with our lawyers and set that up with

you guys

Trump: Well let me ask you Kurt, do you think that is an

accurate number

that was based on the information given

to you by the Secretary of State's

department right?

Hillberg: that that is correct that that

information is the minimum most

conservative data

based upon the USPF data and the

Secretary of State's office data

that has been made publicly available we

do not have the internal numbers from

the secretary of state

yet we have asked for it six times I've

sent a letter over to Mr. Anolewitz

several times requesting this

information and it's been rebuffed every

single time so

it stands to reason that if the

information is not worth company

forthcoming there's something to hide

that's the problem that we have

Raffensperger: Well that's not the case there are

things that that you guys are

are entitled to get and there's things

that under law we are not allowed to give out

Trump: Well you have to well under

law you're not allowed to give

faulty election results okay you're not

allowed to do that and that's what

you've done

this is a faulty election result and honestly

this should go very fast you should meet

tomorrow because you have a big election

election coming up and because of what

you've done to the president you know

the people of

Georgia know that this was a scam and

because of what you've done to the

president a lot of people aren't going

out to vote

and a lot of Republicans are going to

vote negative because they hate what you

did to the president

okay they hate it and they're going to

vote and if you would be

respected if really respected if this

thing could be straightened out

before the election you have a big

election coming up on Tuesday

and therefore I think that it really is

important that you meet tomorrow and

work out on these numbers

because I know Brad that if if you think

we're right I think you're going to say

and and I'm not looking to blame anybody

I'm not blaming I'm just saying that

you know you know under new counts and

under new

views of of the election results we won

the election

it's all you know it's very simple we

won the election

as the governor of major states and the

surrounding states said

there is no way you lost Georgia as the

Georgia politicians

say there is no way you lost Georgia

nobody everyone knows I won it by

hundreds of thousands of votes

but I'll tell you it's going to have a

big impact on Tuesday if you guys don't

get this thing straightened out fast

Mark: Well Mr. President this is Mark let me

let me just it sounds like we've got

two different sides agreeing that

we can look at those those areas and

and i assume that we can do that within

the next 24

to 48 hours to go ahead and get that

reconciled so that we can look at the

two claims

and making sure that we get the access

to the secretary of state's data

to either validate or invalidate the

claims that have been made is that correct?

Raffensperger: No, that's that's not what I said I'm

happy to you know sit down with or have

our lawyers sit down with curtin

and and the lawyers on on that side and

explain to him hey here's

based on what we've looked at so far

here's how we know

this is wrong this is wrong this is

wrong this is wrong this is wrong

what you're saying ryan hold on let me

let me make sure so what you're saying

is you really don't want to give access

to the data

you just want to make another case on

why

the lawsuit is wrong i don't think we

i don't think we can give access to data

that's protected by law

but we can sit down with them and say

you're allowed to have a phony election

you're allowed to have a phony election

right no sir

what are you what are you going to do

the signature counts on when are you

going to do signature verification on

fulton county which you said you were

going to do and now all of a sudden

you're not doing it when are you doing

that

mr president we've announced to get to

this issue of the

personal information and privacy issue

um

is it possible that the secretary of

state could deputize the lawyers

for the president so that we could

access that information that private

information without you having any kind

of violation

well i don't want to know who it is you

guys can do it very confidentially you

can sign a confidentiality agreement

that's okay i don't need to know names

all right but we got the information on

this stuff that we're talking about

we got all that information from the

secretary of state

yeah so let me let me recommend uh Ryan

if you and Kurt will get together and

you know when we get off of this phone

call if you could get together

and work out uh a plan to

to address uh some of what we've we've

got with your attorneys

where we can we can actually look at the

data

uh uh for example uh Mr. secretary I I

can tell you you said there was only two

dead people that would vote uh i i can

promise you there are more than that uh

and that may be what your investigation

shows but i can promise you there are

more than that

but at the same time i think it's

important that we go ahead and move

expeditiously to try to do this and

resolve it as quickly as we possibly can

and uh and if that's the good next step

hopefully we can we can uh

finish this phone call and go ahead and

agree that the two of you will get

together immediately

but why don't my lawyer show you where

you got the information it'll show the

secretary of state

and you don't even have to look at any

names we don't want names we don't care

but we got that information from you

and Stacy Abrams is laughing about you

know she's going around saying these

guys are dumber than a rock

what she's done to this party is

unbelievable i tell you

and I only ran against her once and that

was with a guy named Brian Kemp

and I beat her and if I didn't run

Brian wouldn't have had even a shot

either in the general or in the primary

he was dead dead at a door nail he never

thought he had a shot at either one of

'em

what a schmuck I was but that's the way

it is

that's the way it is uh I would like you

to

uh uh for the attorneys or I'd like you

to

perhaps meet with Ryan ideally tomorrow

because I think we should come to a

resolution of this before the election

otherwise you could have

you're going to have people just not

voting they don't want to vote they

hate the state they hate the governor

and they hate the secretary of state

I will tell you that right now and the

only people that like you are people

that will never vote

for you you know that Brad right they

like you you know

they like you they can't believe what

they found they want more people like

you

so look uh can you get together tomorrow

and Brad we just want the truth

it's simple and uh

and everyone's gonna look very good if

the truth comes out it's okay it takes a

little while but

let the truth come out and the truth the

real truth is I won by 400 000 votes at

least

that's the real truth but we don't need

400 000 votes we need

less than 2 000 votes and

are you guys able to meet tomorrow Ryan

um I'll get with Chris the lawyer who's

representing us

in the case uh and see when he can get

together with Kurt

all right Ryan will be in touch with

that the other attorney on this call

Mr. Meadows thank you President Trump for

your time

okay thank you Brad thank you Ryan thank

you thank you everybody

thank you thank you thank you very much

bye

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