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Dialogue: 0,0:00:00.44,0:00:03.37,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in terms of the specifics of the Heart Attack demonstration
Dialogue: 0,0:00:03.37,0:00:06.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the black bloc in general during the Convergence,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:06.29,0:00:09.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, i do think, you know, one of the points that people have made
Dialogue: 0,0:00:09.38,0:00:12.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is that sometimes there are tactics that undermine other tactics.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:12.85,0:00:15.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think what was really specific about this convergence,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:15.48,0:00:18.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is why i would argue Feb 13th was successful,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:18.82,0:00:23.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is the fact that the black bloc has been in commuication with the entire,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:23.89,0:00:26.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,organizers of the entire Convergence.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:26.46,0:00:27.53,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Feb 12th, as people know,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:27.53,0:00:32.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,was explicitly called as an action that was inclusive.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:32.50,0:00:36.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And in Feb 12th, lets not forget, black bloc was present.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:36.52,0:00:40.51,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Let's not forget, black bloc members were present in the Feb 14th Memorial March;
Dialogue: 0,0:00:40.51,0:00:44.38,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's not forget as i mentioned the black bloc is present at Tent City,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:44.38,0:00:46.15,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been present in every action.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:46.15,0:00:47.75,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And for those of us who are involved in organizing,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:48.70,0:00:49.65,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we know this.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:49.65,0:00:51.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know this because we're the organizers.
Dialogue: 0,0:00:51.68,0:00:53.52,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We know this because we're in communication,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:53.52,0:00:55.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore, you know,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:55.39,0:00:56.16,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including the Memorial March,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:56.16,0:00:57.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because a lot of people have, um,
Dialogue: 0,0:00:57.82,0:00:59.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have strategically kind of used the Memorial March
Dialogue: 0,0:00:59.79,0:01:03.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to say that "oh, you know, people are worried about the black bloc infiltrating the Memorial March".
Dialogue: 0,0:01:03.93,0:01:05.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,im an organizer of the Memorial March,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:05.83,0:01:07.33,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i can say as a member of the Memorial March Committee,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:07.33,0:01:12.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have never had isues with the black bloc being present at the Memorial March.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:12.27,0:01:16.24,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The only issues in fact, for those who are are gaurdians here all know,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:16.24,0:01:18.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,explicitly in our Gaurdian sheet,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:18.85,0:01:22.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we explicitly mention that if there was going to be any concerns about violence
Dialogue: 0,0:01:22.05,0:01:23.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,it will come from police provocateurs,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:23.85,0:01:25.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and not from our allies in the bloc
Dialogue: 0,0:01:25.72,0:01:28.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who knew and respected the protocol of the Memorial March,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:28.46,0:01:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including not wearing face masks.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:30.49,0:01:33.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in terms of the thoughtfulness of the Heart Attack demonstration,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:33.46,0:01:36.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, i want to reiterate that there was many conversations,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:36.93,0:01:38.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and many commitments made
Dialogue: 0,0:01:38.48,0:01:40.97,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to respect the other days of action.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:40.97,0:01:45.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The front line on February 12th, was held by indigenous Elders
Dialogue: 0,0:01:45.10,0:01:46.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,with 2 contingents behind them,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:46.47,0:01:48.88,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of which was the No One Is Illegal / Canada Is Illegal contingent,
Dialogue: 0,0:01:48.88,0:01:51.41,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the contingent next to it, which was the black bloc.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:51.41,0:01:54.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,All of this was in consultation with the 2010 Welcoming Committee.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:54.55,0:01:57.68,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The organizers of that demonstration knew this.
Dialogue: 0,0:01:57.68,0:02:00.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,When the black bloc took the front line on February 12th,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:00.72,0:02:03.06,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,THAT happened in consultation with the Elders,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:03.06,0:02:06.57,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,two of whom explicitly told us that they were gonna go to the back
Dialogue: 0,0:02:06.57,0:02:09.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so the black bloc could take the front line and push through the police line.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:09.83,0:02:11.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So before we start you know, talking about what Elders want,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:11.83,0:02:17.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,let's remember they explicitly asked for the black bloc to come to the front line.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:20.78,0:02:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, in terms of, in terms of Feb 13th,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:23.94,0:02:27.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and this idea that people were somehow endangered on February 13th,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:27.28,0:02:31.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,February 13th was explicitly called as a diversity of tactics.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:31.23,0:02:34.59,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Everyone in the movement knows what a diversity of tactics means,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:34.59,0:02:37.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and when you go out on the street you know what you are engaging in.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:37.89,0:02:39.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,As far as i know, like i said,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:39.39,0:02:41.23,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as someone who marched on February 13th,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:41.23,0:02:44.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,unmasked, in solidarity with black bloc allies,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:44.80,0:02:47.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i did not feel endangered.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:47.07,0:02:50.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i cant speak for everyone else, but i can speak for myself, that i was happy to be there,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:50.60,0:02:54.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and i was happy to see the black bloc doing their thing.
Dialogue: 0,0:02:54.08,0:02:59.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, in terms of the actual demonstration on the 13th,
Dialogue: 0,0:02:59.11,0:03:00.98,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there was various spokescouncils,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:00.98,0:03:03.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,some of which were publicly announced,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:03.28,0:03:06.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,for anyone who was interested in getting information about what the 13th would involve.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:06.45,0:03:10.09,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was public meetings and public consultations
Dialogue: 0,0:03:10.09,0:03:11.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,--well, consultations is not the right word--
Dialogue: 0,0:03:11.42,0:03:15.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but public spokescouncils, which shared information about what people could expect
Dialogue: 0,0:03:15.73,0:03:16.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about the 13th.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:16.100,0:03:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So anyone who wanted to find out that information was able to do that.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:21.84,0:03:23.94,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, there was explanation of "green zones".
Dialogue: 0,0:03:23.94,0:03:26.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There was "green zones" within the February 13th,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:26.47,0:03:30.49,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, at no point did i see the black bloc trying
Dialogue: 0,0:03:30.49,0:03:33.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to hide under the cover of other "peaceful protesters".
Dialogue: 0,0:03:33.18,0:03:35.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,We were out on the streets knowing what would happen,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:35.55,0:03:39.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and thousands of people were not at risk on February 13th.
Dialogue: 0,0:03:39.55,0:03:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think thats important to reiterate,
Dialogue: 0,0:03:40.85,0:03:44.42,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because the people who were actually arrested on February 13th
Dialogue: 0,0:03:44.42,0:03:48.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have not denounced the black bloc, so why are other people doing that?
Dialogue: 0,0:03:54.94,0:03:58.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, 5th point [laughing] only half way through...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:58.10,0:03:59.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,This'll go faster...
Dialogue: 0,0:03:59.64,0:04:03.48,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The argument that the bloc is succeptible to police provocateurs.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:03.48,0:04:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The entire movement is succeptible to police provocateurs.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:07.31,0:04:09.25,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There's probably provocateurs in this meeting,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:09.25,0:04:10.35,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,there's informants in this meeting,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:10.35,0:04:13.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the actual police provocateurs who were outed
Dialogue: 0,0:04:13.72,0:04:15.99,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,were again, as Derrick mentioned, on February 12th,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:15.99,0:04:19.76,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, and those were police provocateurs who were posing as journalists.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:19.76,0:04:23.03,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in my opinion, the idea that the bloc should not be masked
Dialogue: 0,0:04:23.03,0:04:25.60,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because that will make them more succeptible to police provocateurs
Dialogue: 0,0:04:25.60,0:04:28.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, isnt true.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:28.34,0:04:32.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And also, uh, a very clear example is what happened in Montebelo,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:32.07,0:04:37.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is that when police provocateurs, um, presented themselves as the black bloc,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:37.84,0:04:40.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,they were first outed by the black bloc.
Dialogue: 0,0:04:44.15,0:04:45.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, 6th point:
Dialogue: 0,0:04:45.72,0:04:48.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Whether the black bloc tactic is effective?
Dialogue: 0,0:04:48.02,0:04:52.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think a lot of the, um, the debate seems to focus around this idea of effectiveness,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:52.83,0:04:56.50,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,um, and i hope my earlier points kind of build on this point,
Dialogue: 0,0:04:56.50,0:05:00.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is the black bloc tactic cannot be judged in and of itself, right?
Dialogue: 0,0:05:00.20,0:05:04.14,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Like any other mass movement, as Derrick mentioned,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:04.14,0:05:07.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,you know, we have to gauge them as a longterm campaign.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:07.31,0:05:09.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So if we're going to talk about the black bloc tactic,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:09.11,0:05:13.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,we have to talk about the black bloc tactic as part of the anti-olympics convergence,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:13.71,0:05:16.08,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,as part of the anti olympics movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:16.08,0:05:18.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and in my opinion you cant separate those things,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:18.18,0:05:21.29,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and as far as i know the anti-olympic movement as a whole,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:21.29,0:05:22.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,including all of its parts,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:22.82,0:05:24.83,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been very successful.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:26.93,0:05:29.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, in terms of the black bloc tactic in and of itself,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:29.63,0:05:30.100,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,if we are to separate it out,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:30.100,0:05:34.27,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i would argue that it has been effective for several reasons.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:34.27,0:05:38.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, the 1st is that the black bloc tactic
Dialogue: 0,0:05:38.20,0:05:40.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,does actually help build mass movements,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:40.64,0:05:46.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,counter to kind of this idea that the black bloc movement marginalizes mass movements.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:46.55,0:05:48.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And i think that happens in several ways.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:48.79,0:05:51.85,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,The first is, is that there is no monopoly on the mass movement.
Dialogue: 0,0:05:51.85,0:05:57.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,There are a lot of people who dont engage in what is kind of the monoculture of the mass movement
Dialogue: 0,0:05:57.36,0:05:58.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in symbolic protest,
Dialogue: 0,0:05:58.89,0:06:02.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,who find direct action to be very empowering,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:02.36,0:06:05.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and from that perspective the black bloc is growing,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:05.26,0:06:10.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and therefore the black bloc as part of the movement is helping the movement grow.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:10.20,0:06:14.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, second of all, corporate sponsors, in my experience in the past 6 years
Dialogue: 0,0:06:14.91,0:06:17.34,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,of anti olympic organizing,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:17.34,0:06:20.45,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,corporate sponsors have only been mentioned in mainstream media
Dialogue: 0,0:06:20.45,0:06:24.32,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,when there has been insurrectionary attacks on them.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:24.32,0:06:28.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And a lot of these have happened in Ottawa in particular, and Montreal.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:28.02,0:06:31.82,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So in terms of effectiveness, the only times that ive seen Hudson's Bay Company
Dialogue: 0,0:06:31.82,0:06:38.10,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and Royal Bank mentioned and involved in the direct kind of, um, olympic industry,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:38.10,0:06:41.20,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been when they have taken a hit.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:41.20,0:06:43.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and i think thats, thats the reality.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:43.80,0:06:48.46,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Theres been no other times when those corporations have been held responsible
Dialogue: 0,0:06:48.46,0:06:52.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,in a public way, other than when they have taken a hit.
Dialogue: 0,0:06:52.28,0:06:56.62,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, in terms of whether the black bloc tactic of smashing windows
Dialogue: 0,0:06:56.62,0:06:59.72,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,is simply symbolic, and gains nothing,
Dialogue: 0,0:06:59.72,0:07:01.39,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,well again back to the earlier point.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:01.39,0:07:03.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,A whole lot of our protests are often symbolic,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:03.56,0:07:05.79,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,so we can sit here and have a back and forth
Dialogue: 0,0:07:05.79,0:07:08.80,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,about whether it's simply symbolic or effective,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:08.80,0:07:10.26,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but as part of a larger movement,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:10.26,0:07:12.73,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,its certainly effective.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:12.73,0:07:15.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, i would also argue two other points,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:15.84,0:07:21.84,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,which is that black bloc tactics actually help open up space for more mainstream tactics
Dialogue: 0,0:07:21.84,0:07:23.71,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,to take place.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:23.71,0:07:25.66,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,And thats something that i cannot emphasize enough.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:25.66,0:07:28.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i would argue that the success of the Memorial March
Dialogue: 0,0:07:28.12,0:07:29.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the success of the Tent City
Dialogue: 0,0:07:29.93,0:07:33.55,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,at least in part was due to Saturday Feb 13th,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:33.55,0:07:36.12,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and the reason for that is several-fold:
Dialogue: 0,0:07:36.12,0:07:40.56,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one, is that law enforcement, because they create a good protestor / bad protestor divide
Dialogue: 0,0:07:40.56,0:07:43.63,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,have been largely absent from the Tent City,
Dialogue: 0,0:07:43.63,0:07:46.07,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,because they know, and they wanna play up the idea
Dialogue: 0,0:07:46.07,0:07:51.47,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that Feb 13th is the bad proestors, and we're gonna let these other spaces go.
Dialogue: 0,0:07:51.47,0:07:53.17,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, and so i can without a doubt say
Dialogue: 0,0:07:53.17,0:07:54.44,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,one of the successes of the Tent Village
Dialogue: 0,0:07:54.44,0:07:57.05,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,has been the fact that Saturday Feb 13th
Dialogue: 0,0:07:57.05,0:08:00.31,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,opened up a space for that to happen.
Dialogue: 0,0:08:00.31,0:08:06.02,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, also, yknow, the idea that we've lost credibility in mainstream media?
Dialogue: 0,0:08:06.02,0:08:09.89,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,Um, part of, for what thats worth,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:09.89,0:08:11.19,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,not that we ever had any to begin with,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:11.19,0:08:14.93,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,but for what it's worth, the mainstream media
Dialogue: 0,0:08:14.93,0:08:17.36,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,plays into the good protestor / bad protestor,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:17.36,0:08:21.11,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and again, part of the reason the Tent Village has gotten positive mainstream media
Dialogue: 0,0:08:21.11,0:08:24.00,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,i their own spin, not our spin, but their own spin,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:24.00,0:08:28.28,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,that this is a "peaceful tent village that should be defended and should be supported".
Dialogue: 0,0:08:28.28,0:08:32.91,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,So i would argue that black bloc tactics abolutely do help build a broader movement
Dialogue: 0,0:08:32.91,0:08:37.18,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and absolutely do help build a space for various other tactics to take place,
Dialogue: 0,0:08:37.18,0:08:39.64,Default,,0000,0000,0000,,and they dont exist in isolation of them.