Corbett in Groningen

(Stanley) Thank you for
doing this interview.

(James) Well, thank you for inviting me.

(Stanley) You're welcome. I would like to
ask you some questions about Gladio B.

(James) Sure.

(Stanley) On the way over here,
I read the transcripts

(Stanley) on the Gladio B series with
Sibel Edmonds,

(Stanley) and I saw the series in 2013,

(Stanley) which was kind of mind-blowing.

(Stanley) But reading the transcripts now,

(Stanley) we're a year ahead,

(Stanley) and it really strikes me how
well this ties in with current events.

(Stanley) Could you say something
about that?

(James) I think you're exactly right.

That was, in fact, one of the things Sibel
stressed in that video interview series:

was that this is an area of the globe
that most people don't know about,

but they're going to be increasingly
aware of in the future.

And I think that's already started
to come true.

I mean, for example, we had the
Boston Bombing, obviously,

talking about Dagestan,
suddenly becoming

at least something that was mentioned
in the news in America.

And we're seeing... not necessarily
an increase,

but certainly ongoing tensions,

in the Caucasus region
and in Central Asia

that I think are going to become more
and more important

as we go out from here.

So I think it is already starting
to come true,

but I think it still has much more to go.

I think that the way that people tend
to concentrate on the Middle East now

is the way that they're going
to be concentrating

on this region of the globe very soon.

And I think that for people who aware
of that video interview series,

they're probably ahead of the curve
when it comes to that.

And I shared your experience, when
I was interviewing Sibel, with that:

I had a vague idea what
we were talking about,

but I was learning it at the
same time,

and it was absolutely mind-blowing
for me as well.

It put into perspective so many pieces
of the puzzle

that I had encountered along the way

but that I didn't know exactly how they
fit together.

And even now, as I'm coming back to it

and preparing this lecture here
in Groningen

and coming back to some of
that information

and seeing how it synthesizes in,

as I continue to expand my
understanding of it,

it continues to...

it continues to blow my mind in some
ways, the way that it all fits together.

So, yeah: it was a mind-blowing series,
and I think it is exceptionally important.

And it is going to be more important as
things continue to play out.

(Stanley) Yeah. The first time that
I saw it,

(Stanley) I was a little overwhelmed by
the amount of information,

(Stanley) the names that are being
named from the beginning,

(Stanley) like the... Mister Çatlı,

(James) Yes.

(Stanley) which is the main figure
in the first of the series.

(James) Yes.

(Stanley) Reading it again, it becomes
a little more clear.

(James) Mm-hm.

(Stanley) You probably did a lot of
research to do this lecture.

(Stanley) Could you say something

(Stanley) about how important it is
to document things like this?

(Stanley) Yeah, could you just...

(James) Yes. Well, I think this is
absolutely, essentially important,

because what Sibel has done with
the interviews that she has given

is thrown, as you say, so much
information out on the table,

some of which comes from
her own personal experience.

But I think almost everything
which she talked about

is verifiable through various news
stories, documents, court filings...

There's a huge cookie crumb trail
all over the place

that would never have made sense.

I never would have found any
of that information

without Sibel painting the picture.

And now I can go and fill in
those details.

But it's impossible...

-- for me, at any rate --

by myself, to do this.

Which is why, I think, for people
who have had

that similar mind-blowing experience
with that interview series,

it's incumbent on them to become
part of this research,

which is what I'm going to emphasize
in this lecture, in fact, at the end.

Because there are still many things
that we need more things filled in

with corroborating evidence: news
stories and all of this, that... again,

I've only started to put those pieces
together, but there's much more to go.

So I think it's an open-source effort that
will have to continue from here.

We're really just launching it
at this point.

(Stanley) Yeah, that's absolutely true.

(Stanley) Could you say something...

(Stanley) I personally find it very
significant

(Stanley) that you've been invited to
speak at this university

(Stanley) specifically on this subject,

(Stanley) because it's kind of explosive,
in a way.

(Stanley) How did you get in touch with
the people from the university?

How did that contact go?

(James) Yes. Well, I was contacted
by Tjeerd Andringa,

who is at the University of Groningen.

I had interviewed him on my podcast
maybe two years ago,

and so he had suggested this,

and Studium Generale was running
a lecture series

-- on geopolitics and resources,
-- Stanley: Yeah.

(James) and so Tjeerd suggested me
for that series,

and suggested that Gladio B,

and how that relates to geopolitics

and the resource battle in Central Asia
might be a good topic,

which I obviously agreed;
And so did Studium Generale,

so it came together quite nicely.

(Stanley) Yeah. This video I'm making
for ZapLog.

(Stanley) I'm not officially a part of
Zaplog;

(Stanley) It's just something that I'm
involved with on a...

(Stanley) on a free basis?
How do you say it?

(Stanley) You've just recently opened
your website up to people

-- Stanley: that contribute some money.
-- James: Yes, yes.

(Stanley) As little as one dollar
or 70 Euro cents a month,

(Stanley) you can be a part of the open
source investigation.

(James) Yes.

(Stanley) Could you say something
about what's important

(Stanley) in developing an open
source community

(Stanley) when it comes to intelligence?

(James) Yes. Well, I think the key to this
is that it doesn't...

the shape that this takes obviously
doesn't depend on me

or any other individual.

It depends on the community itself,

which is self-selecting.

So it really is what people make of it.

And I have been very, very happy
and impressed

with some of the things that we've
managed to do already,

which is, for example, the MH-17 report,
or others like that,

that literally hundreds of people
contributed to,

speaking all sorts of different languages,
in different parts of the globe.

It's incredible.

So that's the idea of what we're
trying to develop.

And we're going from here.
We're moving forward.

And it's a slow process.

I don't think that what I'm doing
at The Corbett Report

is the be-all and end-all of this.

It's just one tiny little piece
of the puzzle,

but hopefully it's important,

and hopefully other people can
take this idea and run with it,

which is, I think...
when it starts to self-replicate,

and everyone is involved and
is doing this

in whatever way comes to them:
that's the point.

We're looking for that kind
of tipping point.

Because we, right now, have the
technology to do this,

which truly never existed before
in the history of humanity.

We are creating something
very new here.

(Stanley) Yeah.

(James) And I don't know what that's
gonna look like. No one knows that.

But if we don't take advantage of it,

if we don't shape it in the way that we
want, towards what we want

-- it'll never happen.
-- Stanley: Yeah.

So I'm taking the bull by the horns,
and let the chips fall where they may

That was a weird mixed analogy,
but really...

(Stanley) (laughs) Yeah. Like... with
working on ZapLog,

(Stanley) I often run into the same
people,

(Stanley) and looking at the
Web statistics,

(Stanley) there are a lot of readers
out there,

(Stanley) and in the case
of Corbett Report,

(Stanley) there are many
more readers, probably

(Stanley) than there are people
that contribute to the comments

(Stanley) or say something
in the pipeline.

(James) Right.

(Stanley) Could you say
something about,

(Stanley) maybe to... how do you say it?

(Stanley) stimulate people to put on
their...

(Stanley) (laughs) this is a Dutch
saying:

(Stanley) "put on their naughty shoes."
(laughs)

(Stanley) Which basically means,
just get over...

(Stanley) just go and do it:
take the risk.

(James) Right, right.

(Stanley) Meaning, just take the chance

(Stanley) of just speaking
your mind, or...

(James) How to motivate people to that?

(Stanley) Yeah, maybe a little bit of
a motivational...

(James) Yeah, well, it's difficult for me,

because the motivation, for me,
comes from within.

(Stanley) Yeah.

(James) I don't know why. I'm maybe the
type of person that's motivated by this;

but for me, it was overwhelming when I
started encountering this information,

and not ever having seen it before:
Why? Why not?

And there was no good answer to that.
And the only thing I could think to do

was to become part of the process
of spreading this to others.

I had no idea what form that would take.

Originally I was just going to hand CDs
of podcasts out to people.

That was a silly idea. (laughter) I was in
Japan. Most people wouldn't even

understand it, anyway. So I just decided,
"I'll start a website,"

and it just developed organically.

There is no master plan.

I have no idea what form it's
going to take.

All I know is I have to do it.

And if someone doesn't have
that motivation,

-- I can't fault them for that.
-- Stanley: No.

(James) I just don't know
how to incite that.

I think it's really just a question of
knowledge and understanding,

and I think once you reach
a certain point

of discrepancy between what
you're seeing and hearing

and what you're finding out through
your own research,

if that doesn't motivate you,
I don't know what will.

(Stanley) So basically, the readers that
are reading:

(Stanley) keep reading, keep researching,

(Stanley) and whatever may come?

(James) That's it.

I try not to make too much of a set plan

of how things are going to work, because
they never work out that way anyway.

And everything I've done has been organic.

It's just, "This seems like the thing
I should be doing, so I'll do it."

And it's worked out so far,

and who knows if it will work
in the future?

But that's my agenda. That's my plan.

(Stanley) OK. Well, for me personally,
this is

-- my first video interview with anyone.
-- James: Thank you. Ah.

(Stanley) I've wanted to do it with some
other people from Holland. There's...

(Stanley) I don't know his name, but
there's a man that used to work for NRC.

(Stanley) He's been in a few RT
interviews talking about the propaganda

(Stanley) against Russia. But I thought
I'd take a chance now and interview you.

-- So thank you very much!
-- James: I'm glad you did. Thank you.

(Stanley) So maybe this is number one
of a long series. We'll see.

(James): I hope so.

-- Stanley: OK. Thank you very much.
-- James: Thank you.

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